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Old 11-29-2013, 08:58 AM  
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I have avoided posting here because it has become so partisan. Usually if I do post here it is to comment on a non-partisan issue like gerrymandering, the filibuster, the electoral college etc. I will break that rule now.

Many of you know from when I was posting more often here that I am a Democrat. It is with great difficulty that I call for President Obama to resign. The government has simply gotten out of control. He has lost his ability to govern. Nothing will or can be done while Obama is President except perhaps in the area of foreign policy. Good or bad he has become a lighting rod. There is an impossible standard of having to overcome a 60% limit to pass anything in the Senate. There is also the standard in the House of needing to have a majority of Republicans behind a measure before it will come to a vote. One could argue that past Speakers, including Democrats, have set the same standard. They all allowed exceptions, Boehner does not.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:23 PM   #136
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i'll let brc speak for himself, but i never regarded the election victory as a mandate to get "everything (they) want" but it would have been nice if the republicans in the house gave something in exchange for something from him...

it's called compromise, and the republicans haven't been inclined to do much of that, heck compromise is a dirty word in some republican circles...

the gop should compromise, get the best deal they can, and get things moving again...

obama will negotiate and has repeatedly said so and if i'm not mistaken o offered significant compromises in the negotiations with the speaker that unfortunately did not go anywhere...

after all, o likes to negotiate with our adversaries why would he not negotiate with house republicans? and why in the world wouldn't republicans not want him to negotiate? he's freaking horrible at it and the gop would have a huge advantage in those negotiations...
That's a big story that is full of BS! House Republicans tried to negotiate a deal with Oblahbla during the government shutdown, but Reid, and Oblahbla said that they wouldn't do any deals where the Dems had to give up anything, or did that little tidbit slip your mind? Oblahbla isn't trying to lead like a president, he's trying to lead like Hitler/Lenin, where everything is his way, or the highway, and pretty much still is. Oblahbla doesn't think the other branches of government should have any say, or bearing on what he wants to do. Oblahbla wants his way, and his way only.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #137
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you're certainly entitled to your opinion...

which one are you again, tom cash or blackbob's uncle?
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:27 PM   #138
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And in both cases, Bush was the decider, and Obama's election did have consequences. Or would Republicans have warmed up to Obama if he had said, "I know I won, but **** that. How can I help your agenda? Help me, help you."

I expect Bush to be the decider of who is on his staff. I expect Obama to advance his agenda after a major electoral victory. In fact, so did John McCain, who told Ted Cruz that elections have consequences.

And you leave out some major points of that meeting with Republicans. Let's have someone who was there share them:

--- If Mr. Obama’s separate sessions with House and Senate Republicans on Tuesday did not win him any immediate additional support, they got high marks from Republicans for outreach.

Republican lawmakers said his efforts were a good start toward building a relationship with them that would be vital as Congress and the administration turned to politically divisive issues like health care, tax reform and the long-term financial problems facing Medicare and Social Security.

“This was not a drive-by P.R. stunt, and I actually thought it might be,” said Representative Zach Wamp, Republican of Tennessee. “It was a substantive, in-depth discussion with our conference, and he’s very effective.”

“He knows that the debt and the deficit are huge long-term problems as well,” Mr. Wamp said, “and he made a compelling case. He sounded, frankly, a lot like a Republican.” ---

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/us...s/28obama.html

But if you want to be a Republican party stooge, hey, it's a free country. Just don't expect your opinion to get much bipartisan traction.
And how many of those GOP suggestions did Obama incorporate into his agenda after that first meeting? None. Yes, Obama the Great Compromiser, indeed...
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:29 PM   #139
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And how many of those GOP suggestions did Obama incorporate into his agenda after that first meeting? None. Yes, Obama the Great Compromiser, indeed...
Sorry, which specific GOP suggestions were presented to Obama then? Please list them so we can judge whether they were incorporated into his agenda.

Also, please list what the GOP incorporated into their agenda that began with Obama. For equality's and honesty's sake, if we give a damn about that.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:38 PM   #140
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That's a big story that is full of BS! House Republicans tried to negotiate a deal with Oblahbla during the government shutdown, but Reid, and Oblahbla said that they wouldn't do any deals where the Dems had to give up anything, or did that little tidbit slip your mind? Oblahbla isn't trying to lead like a president, he's trying to lead like Hitler/Lenin, where everything is his way, or the highway, and pretty much still is. Oblahbla doesn't think the other branches of government should have any say, or bearing on what he wants to do. Oblahbla wants his way, and his way only.
Seriously?

They were going after Obamacare. His signature legislation, that he spent the majority of the time defending and they spent the majority of the time trying to find unconstitutional, overturn, etc. and he should just give up because they were holding the government hostage?

Reality. Get some.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:39 PM   #141
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Sorry, which specific GOP suggestions were presented to Obama then? Please list them so we can judge whether they were incorporated into his agenda.

Also, please list what the GOP incorporated into their agenda that began with Obama. For equality's and honesty's sake, if we give a damn about that.
Dunno, it had something to do with freedom fries and freedom toast.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:52 PM   #142
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:54 PM   #143
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Sorry, which specific GOP suggestions were presented to Obama then? Please list them so we can judge whether they were incorporated into his agenda.

Also, please list what the GOP incorporated into their agenda that began with Obama. For equality's and honesty's sake, if we give a damn about that.
The top congressional leaders from both parties gathered at the White House for a working discussion over the shape and size of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus plan. The meeting was designed to promote bipartisanship.

But Obama showed that in an ideological debate, he’s not averse to using a jab.

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

The statement was prompted by Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona , who challenged the president and the Democratic leaders over the balance between the package’s spending and tax cuts, bringing up the traditional Republican notion that a tax credit for people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes is not a tax cut but a government check.

Obama noted that such workers pay Social Security and Medicare taxes, property taxes and sales taxes. The issue was widely debated during the presidential campaign, when Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, challenged Obama’s tax plan as “welfare.”

With those two words — “I won” — the Democratic president let the Republicans know that debate has been put to rest Nov. 4 .
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:55 PM   #144
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"scandals" is being used very broadly here. There is no scandals, by definition, in there. THere is certianly no violations of the Constitution there or other violations of the law. But keep trying. .
Ahem! Excessive signing statements. "The Decider" and " Unitary Executive" ring a bell? How' bout the fact that GWB didn't even think he needed congressional approval to strike Iraq and the transfer by Congress of their own war power permission in the Iraq resolution?

No Constitutional violations my arse!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102502408.html

The decline of the Obama presidency can be traced to a meeting at the White House just three days after the inauguration, when the new president gathered congressional leaders of both parties to discuss his proposed economic stimulus. House Republican Whip Eric Cantor gave President Obama a list of modest proposals for the bill. Obama said he would consider the GOP ideas, but told the assembled Republicans that "elections have consequences" and "I won." Backed by the largest congressional majorities in decades, the president was not terribly interested in giving ground to his vanquished adversaries.
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[i]The top congressional leaders from both parties gathered at the White House for a working discussion over the shape and size of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus plan. The meeting was designed to promote bipartisanship.
I know that somewhere in there is a specific GOP suggestion. I just can't find it. Could you bold it for me?
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The decline of the Obama presidency can be traced to a meeting at the White House just three days after the inauguration, when the new president gathered congressional leaders of both parties to discuss his proposed economic stimulus. House Republican Whip Eric Cantor gave President Obama a list of modest proposals for the bill. Obama said he would consider the GOP ideas, but told the assembled Republicans that "elections have consequences" and "I won." Backed by the largest congressional majorities in decades, the president was not terribly interested in giving ground to his vanquished adversaries.
Okay, so "a list of modest proposals." What were those?
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Okay, so "a list of modest proposals." What were those?

Immediate Tax Relief for Working Families: House Republicans propose reducing the lowest individual tax rates from 15 percent to 10 percent and from 10 percent to 5 percent. Under the proposal, a married couple filing jointly could save up to $3,200 a year in taxes.

Help for America’s Small Businesses: House Republicans propose to allow small businesses to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their income. This will immediately free up funds for small businesses to create new jobs.

Assistance for the Unemployed: House Republicans propose to make unemployment benefits tax free so that those looking for work can focus on providing for their families.

Stabilizing Home Values: In order to encourage responsible buyers to enter the market and stabilize prices, House Republicans propose a home-buyers credit of $7,500 for those buyers who make a minimum down-payment of 5 percent.

No Tax Increases to Pay for Spending: The congressional Democrats’ spending plan includes record levels of government projects and programs that will substantially increase the current deficit, without spurring a rapid economic recovery, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. House Republicans are concerned that this level of spending could result in near-term tax increases on American families and are insisting that any economic package include a provision precluding any tax increases now or in the future to pay for this new spending.
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Sorry, which specific GOP suggestions were presented to Obama then? Please list them so we can judge whether they were incorporated into his agenda.

Also, please list what the GOP incorporated into their agenda that began with Obama. For equality's and honesty's sake, if we give a damn about that.
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Assistance for the Unemployed: House Republicans propose to make unemployment benefits tax free so that those looking for work can focus on providing for their families.
I looked up this one. It was included in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Should you look up one of them to see if they made it pass the dictator?
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