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Old 11-29-2013, 08:58 AM  
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I have avoided posting here because it has become so partisan. Usually if I do post here it is to comment on a non-partisan issue like gerrymandering, the filibuster, the electoral college etc. I will break that rule now.

Many of you know from when I was posting more often here that I am a Democrat. It is with great difficulty that I call for President Obama to resign. The government has simply gotten out of control. He has lost his ability to govern. Nothing will or can be done while Obama is President except perhaps in the area of foreign policy. Good or bad he has become a lighting rod. There is an impossible standard of having to overcome a 60% limit to pass anything in the Senate. There is also the standard in the House of needing to have a majority of Republicans behind a measure before it will come to a vote. One could argue that past Speakers, including Democrats, have set the same standard. They all allowed exceptions, Boehner does not.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:45 PM   #61
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How do you know which Precidency I'm talking about lying us into war? It's happened so many times. Take your pick. For those who are unaware of how the Vietname was got escalated into a full fledged war, google Gulf of Tonkin.

Fast and Furious a major Presidential scandal...give me a break.
So you were talking about the Gulf of Tonkin? If so, I apologize for my assumption. We agree then that the Bush administration didn't lie us into a war, right?
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #62
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We agree then that the Bush administration didn't lie us into a war, right?
No, I have proved it to you with their own words. You chose to bury your head in the sand.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #63
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So you were talking about the Gulf of Tonkin? If so, I apologize for my assumption. We agree then that the Bush administration didn't lie us into a war, right?
****ing A right!!!

Having you say we disagree because I'm always wrong is like a badge of honor.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:50 PM   #64
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Benghazi. Arming Al Qaeda. Fast & Furious scandal. IRS scandal, which will be traced back to the white house. Illegal Campaign Donations. Solyndra, NextEra, Ener1, Solar Trust funding. An intentional refusal to enforce federal immigration laws. Intervention in Libya without congressional approval. Ending Welfare-to work laws that were passed by congress. Authorized drone strikes to kill US citizens abroad without due process with is a violation of the constitution.Illegally changing the law that he passed with Obamacare. Each time he has done this it's been an impeachable offense and an abuse of power. This list goes on.

Yes perspective is a good thing. No president in US history has had the quantity of scandals and gross violations of law than this president.
Did a quick search on W Bush "scandals" and found this list. Gotta be a least as legit as the BS listed above. A lot of these I had forgotten about.

US Attorney firings
Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital
Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent)
Iraq war
The War on Terror (failure to capture Osama bin Laden, dubious allies)
Osama bin Laden, where are you? The blown opportunity at Tora Bora.
Civilian contractors in Iraq (poor service for big bucks)
Civilian contractors; also no bid contracts; in Iraq Halliburton tainted food and water, overpriced gas; Blackwater use of private security contractors, what used to be called mercenaries, with little or no accountability
Military Commissions Act (torture, kangaroo courts, indefinite detention, and loss of habeas corpus)
Hurricane Katrina response
Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US President's Daily Brief
NSA warrantless wiretapping
SWIFT (international money transfers)
Black sites and rendition
Jack Abramoff
Terri Schiavo and the attempted trashing of family privacy rights
Cheney Energy Task Force (and hiding info about it)
Doug Feith (stovepiping Iraq intel)
2000 election - Florida manipulation
9/11 Commission limitation and attempts to torpedo the 9/11 Commission.
Signing Statements
Abuse of the National Guard
Dubai Ports Deal
Armstrong Williams - paid journalist to promote the controversial No Child Left Behind Act.
Jeff Gannon - planted questions with conservative columnist
Lurita Doan and the Hatch Act
Downing Street Memo
Abu Ghraib
Cheney won't explain records classification
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:52 PM   #65
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No, I have proved it to you with their own words. You chose to bury your head in the sand.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:57 PM   #66
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Did a quick search on W Bush "scandals" and found this list. Gotta be a least as legit as the BS listed above. A lot of these I had forgotten about.

US Attorney firings

Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital

Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent)

Civilian contractors in Iraq (poor service for big bucks)

Civilian contractors; also no bid contracts; in Iraq Halliburton tainted food and water, overpriced gas; Blackwater use of private security contractors, what used to be called mercenaries, with little or no accountability

Hurricane Katrina response

Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US President's Daily Brief

Jack Abramoff

9/11 Commission limitation and attempts to torpedo the 9/11 Commission.

Abu Ghraib
Now those are Presidential scandals.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:59 PM   #67
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Did a quick search on W Bush "scandals" and found this list. Gotta be a least as legit as the BS listed above. A lot of these I had forgotten about.

US Attorney firings
Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital
Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent)
Iraq war
The War on Terror (failure to capture Osama bin Laden, dubious allies)
Osama bin Laden, where are you? The blown opportunity at Tora Bora.
Civilian contractors in Iraq (poor service for big bucks)
Civilian contractors; also no bid contracts; in Iraq Halliburton tainted food and water, overpriced gas; Blackwater use of private security contractors, what used to be called mercenaries, with little or no accountability
Military Commissions Act (torture, kangaroo courts, indefinite detention, and loss of habeas corpus)
Hurricane Katrina response
Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US President's Daily Brief
NSA warrantless wiretapping
SWIFT (international money transfers)
Black sites and rendition
Jack Abramoff
Terri Schiavo and the attempted trashing of family privacy rights
Cheney Energy Task Force (and hiding info about it)
Doug Feith (stovepiping Iraq intel)
2000 election - Florida manipulation
9/11 Commission limitation and attempts to torpedo the 9/11 Commission.
Signing Statements
Abuse of the National Guard
Dubai Ports Deal
Armstrong Williams - paid journalist to promote the controversial No Child Left Behind Act.
Jeff Gannon - planted questions with conservative columnist
Lurita Doan and the Hatch Act
Downing Street Memo
Abu Ghraib
Cheney won't explain records classification
"scandals" is being used very broadly here. There is no scandals, by definition, in there. THere is certianly no violations of the Constitution there or other violations of the law. But keep trying. I'm surprised you didn't list everything I said about the Obama scandals and pin it to GW like most left wingers do.

And for the record, I was a harsh critic on Bush to. But one thing he had going for him is his respect for the people and the US presidency. Obama has neither and that's why he's the most hated president in US history. People will forgive honest mistakes but not intentional lying and the destruction of their country.

And don't you dare try to give credit to Obama about Bin Laden and blame Bush for not getting him. The process encompassed many years and had little impact by either president other than approval of decade long manhunt. The intelligence agencies involved and the US military deserve 99.9999999% of the credit.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:02 PM   #68
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"scandals" is being used very broadly here. There is no scandals, by definition, in there. THere is certianly no violations of the Constitution there or other violations of the law. But keep trying. I'm surprised you didn't list everything I said and pen it to GW.

And for the record, I was a harsh critic on Bush to. But one thing he had going for him is his respect for the people and the US presidency. Obama has neither and that's why he's the most hated president in US history. People will forgive honest mistakes but not intentional lying and the destruction of their country.

And don't you dare try to give credit to Obama about Bin Laden and blame Bush for not getting him. The process encompassed many years and had little impact by either president other than approval of decade long manhunt. The intelligence agencies involved and the US military deserve 99.9999999% of the credit.
You post your little list, then see this one, and say "scandals is being used very broadly?" Are you joking? You're ****ing ridiculous.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:05 PM   #69
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"scandals" is being used very broadly here. There is no scandals, by definition, in there..

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Obama has neither and that's why he's the most hated president in US history..
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:25 PM   #70
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:24 PM   #71
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Thats harsh. Democrats are waking up in droves. No one knows it more than those up for reelection. The midterms will be a cleansing. Only the hard core will be left arounding the smoldering remains of the Obot failure.
Some may be waking up, but that won't be known for sure until the next elections in 2014. Most of the Dumbocrats on CP still have their heads in the sand, and will defend Oblahbla no matter what he does, and that is stupid, and wrong. Even if they don't like what's being done by Oblahbla, they always find a way to blame it on the Republicans, or at least give some stupid excuse why it's the fault of someone other than their communist leader. According to them, the libtards are never to blame when things go wrong, but are always there to take the credit if things go right. I can't wait to see all of the excuses that they come up with for the failing ACA, and the lies told about it. I'm sure the spin machine is already working overtime for that little ACA snafu.
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The actual execution of the operation was much dumber than your portrayal its detractors.
They have a failed presidency and party agenda staring them right in the face.

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