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Old 12-03-2013, 01:21 PM  
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Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever?

Adam Teicher seem to think so....

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014.

Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles.

Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting.

The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about.

Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor.

Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king.

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Old 12-03-2013, 08:00 PM   #91
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I'm afraid I might turn into a weasel, sprout eagle wings and get sucked into a jet engine, causing an accident that kills thousands.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:09 PM   #92
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Greg Hill, Harvey Williams, Ethan Horton and Paul Palmer get any votes here?
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:10 PM   #93
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Eagle wings?


Those would just look ridiculous on your tiny weasel (not ferret) body.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:38 PM   #94
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In my mind he definitely is. His lines and QBs have never been very good. Not to take anything away from Priest, he was a great back, but if Charles had that o-line, he would have at least one 2000 yard season already.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:42 PM   #95
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I used to hold onto the Priest Holmes thing too, but after the Eagles game this year I gave in. Jamaal is our best RB ever.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:45 PM   #96
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I rarely buy jerseys, but I fully intend on buying a Charles jersey in the next couple weeks from Rally House here in town. I'm always afraid that if I buy a jersey, said player will get hurt or traded. I think Charles is safe. Guy is gonna be a Hall of Famer! GOAT!
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:10 PM   #97
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:16 PM   #98
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I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.


But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.


I'd take Marcus Allen blocking for Jamaal Charles. He was a hell of a good blocker and then give him the ball on the goal line or short yardage.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:49 PM   #99
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Priest's for the end zone was constructed by an outstanding O-Line. And one of the best lead blockers in the game.
Don't forget Jason Dunn. It almost wasn't fair once we were first and goal. Charles would be every bit as effective.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:52 PM   #100
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I don't think we can make a complete judgement without seeing Charles eating some nachos.
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:57 AM   #101
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Old 12-04-2013, 08:38 AM   #102
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Charles is the best back in franchise history. The sad fact is we are in an era of quarterbacks, and we don't have the greatest in franchise history.
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:51 PM   #103
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In their prime Allen>Charles>Holmes.

However, Allen was wearing silver and black during his prime. After riding the bench for four seasons courtesy of Al Davis, Allen was an above average running back, but not top tier, when he came to KC.

Charles>Holmes>Allen>Okoye (based on fun-to-watch factor>
Allen was a better goal line back.

Charles is better at everything else.
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:01 PM   #104
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I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years.

Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc.

Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn
And Charles is so much faster.

If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen.

Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:45 PM   #105
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I gotta say so,Priest was my favorite just because of nostalgia. But if JC had that line imagine the monster numbers he would put up. The guy goes through some of the smallest creases ive ever seen and I have no idea how he gets through. Runs so hard with so much heart for a guy his size. All you ever worry about is him coughing up the ball,at least I do.

But think about all the handicaps hes had. No qb,not many receiving threats. And now probably his biggest handicap of all is having Andy Reid as his coach lol. If I wasn't a Chiefs fan I would wish he was on another team just as a fan of football. Id love to see him get 20 carries at least EVERY game. He could be greatest rb of all time based on his skills and massive output with so very little. I hate his names not as big as it should be,glad hes not a fame whore. We may have lost him to a bigger market by now
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