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Old 12-03-2013, 12:21 PM  
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Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever?

Adam Teicher seem to think so....

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014.

Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles.

Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting.

The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about.

Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor.

Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king.

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Old 12-04-2013, 03:52 PM   #106
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:54 PM   #107
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:58 PM   #108
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Charles' YPC mark is not just GOAT for the Chiefs, it's GOAT PERIOD.

Pretty easy discussion, IMO.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:00 PM   #109
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Charles' YPC mark is not just GOAT for the Chiefs, it's GOAT PERIOD.

Pretty easy discussion, IMO.
He's no Terrell Davis.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:02 PM   #110
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I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:31 PM   #111
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:39 PM   #112
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I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.
Willie Roaf made that WHOLE line work. The day he retired our line went to shit, our Offense went to shit and Trent Green got a concussion running for his life. If he was blocking for Jamaal, we'd be looking at history being made.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:36 AM   #113
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nothing sweeter than watching Priest's patience on a sweep play then busting it inside for mega yardage.
Is that what you thought was sweet?

I loved watching it, but it was because it was consistently the most flawlessly blocked sweep I've ever seen. Two guys, (plus T-rich) would spill out and get a hat on everyone. Priest usually had 2-3 lanes to pick. ALL of our guys could block in space. They could pull any of the 5 down linemen and they could all do it.

That OL was just ridiculous.
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Old 12-15-2013, 06:48 PM   #116
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Well well well.


Anyone still doubting?
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Old 12-15-2013, 07:09 PM   #117
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Anyone still doubting?
I like how he is being utilized for sure, but is he better than Priest? Not sure on that, but he is at least top 2.
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At this point I would say they are 1a and 1b and you could put either one at 1a and have a solid argument for why. Charles definitely has the ability and still has at least a few more years to solidify himself as the top guy without the letter attachment.
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I like how he is being utilized for sure, but is he better than Priest? Not sure on that, but he is at least top 2.
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Charles is the best back KC has had ever. Yes even better than Holmes.
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