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Understanding Poverty

20 things the poor deal with daily:

http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2013/1...-do-every-day/

Dave Ramsey probably wasn’t expecting this much pushback when he shared a piece by Tim Corley contrasting the habits of the rich with those of the poor. In her response on CNN, Rachel Held Evans noted that Ramsey and Corley mistake correlation for causality when they suggest (without actually proving) that these habits are the cause of a person’s financial situation. (Did it never occur to them that it might be the other way around?)

Ramsey fired back, calling the pushback “immature and ignorant.” This from a guy who just made 20 sweeping assertions about 47 million poor people in the US — all based on a survey of 361 individuals.

That’s right. To come up with his 20 habits, Corley talked to just 233 wealthy people and 128 poor people. Ramsey can talk all he wants about Corley’s research passing the “common-sense smell test,” but it doesn’t pass the “research methodology 101” test.

To balance the picture a bit, I wanted to take a fact-based look at 20 things the poor do on a daily basis…

1. Search for affordable housing.
Especially in urban areas, the waiting list for affordable housing can be a year or more. During that time, poor families either have to make do with substandard or dangerous housing, depend on the hospitality of relatives, or go homeless.
(Source: New York Times)

2. Try to make $133 worth of food last a whole month.
That’s how much the average food stamp recipient gets each month. Imagine trying to eat well on $4.38 per day. It’s not easy, which is why many impoverished families resort to #3…
(Source: Kaiser Family Foundation)

3. Subsist on poor quality food.
Not because they want to, but because they can’t afford high-quality, nutritious food. They’re trapped in a food system that subsidizes processed foods, making them artificially cheaper than natural food sources. So the poor are forced to eat bad food — if they’re lucky, that is…
(Sources: Washington Post; Journal of Nutrition, March 2008)

4. Skip a meal.
One in six Americans are food insecure. Which means (among other things) that they’re sometimes forced to go without eating.
(Sources: World Vision, US Department of Agriculture)

5. Work longer and harder than most of us.
While it’s popular to think people are poor because they’re lazy (which seems to be the whole point of Ramsey’s post), the poor actually work longer and harder than the rest of us. More than 80 percent of impoverished children have at least one parent who works; 60 percent have at least one parent who works full-time. Overall, the poor work longer hours than the so-called “job creators.”
(Source: Poverty and Learning, April 2008)

6. Go to bed 3 hours before their first job starts.
Number 15 on Ramsey and Corley’s list was, “44% of [the] wealthy wake up three hours before work starts vs. 3% of [the] poor.” It may be true that most poor people don’t wake up three hours before work starts. But that could be because they’re more likely to work multiple jobs, in which case job #1 means they’re probably just getting to bed three hours before job #2 starts.
(Source: Poverty and Learning, April 2008)

7. Try to avoid getting beat up by someone they love.
According to some estimates, half of all homeless women in America ran away to escape domestic violence.
(Source: National Coalition for the Homeless, 2009)

8. Put themselves in harm’s way, only to be kicked to the streets afterward.
How else do you explain 67,000 63,000 homeless veterans?
(Source: US Department of Veterans Affairs, updated to reflect the most recent data)

9. Pay more than their fair share of taxes.
Some conservative pundits and politicians like to think the poor don’t pay their fair share, that they are merely “takers.” While it’s true the poor don’t pay as much in federal income tax — usually because they don’t earn enough to qualify — they do pay sales tax, payroll tax, etc. In fact, the bottom 20% of earners pay TWICE as much in taxes (as a share of their income) as do the top 1%.
(Source: Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy, January 2013)

10. Fall further behind.
Even when poverty is the result of poor decision-making, often it’s someone else’s choices that make the difference. If you experience poverty as a child, you are 3-4 times less likely to graduate high school. If you spend your entire childhood in poverty, you are 5 times less likely to graduate. Which means your future has been all but decided for you.
(Sources: World Vision, Children’s Defense Fund, Annie E. Casey Foundation)

11. Raise kids who will be poor.
A child’s future earnings are closely correlated to their parents’ earnings. In other words, economic mobility — the idea that you can claw your way out of poverty if you just try hard enough is, more often than not, a myth.
(Sources: OECD, Economic Policy Institute)

12. Vote less.
And who can blame them? I would be less inclined to vote if I didn’t have easy access to the polls and if I were subjected to draconian voter ID laws that are sold to the public as necessary to suppress nonexistent voter fraud.
(Source: The Center for Voting and Democracy)

13. When they do vote… vote pretty much the same as the rest of us.
Following their defeat in 2012, conservatives took solace by reasoning that they’d lost to a bunch of “takers,” including the poor, who voted for Democrats because they want free handouts from big government. The reality is a bit more complex. Only a third of low-income voters identify as Democrats, about the same for all Americans, including wealthy voters.
(Sources: NPR, Pew Research Center)

14. Live with chronic pain.
Those earning less than $12,000 a year are twice as likely to report feeling physical pain on any given day.
(Source: Kaiser Health News)

15. Live shorter lives.
There is a 10-14 year gap in life expectancy between the rich and the poor. In recent years, poor people’s life expectancy has actually declined — in America, the wealthiest nation on the planet.
(Source: Health Affairs, 2012)

16. Use drugs and alcohol pretty much the same as (or less than) everyone else.
Despite the common picture of inner city crack houses, drug use is pretty evenly spread across income groups. And rich people actually abuse alcohol more than the poor.
(Source: Poverty and Learning, April 2008)

17. Receive less in subsidized benefits than corporations.
The US government spends around $60 billion on public housing and rental subsidies for low-income families, compared to more than $90 billion on corporate subsidies. Oil companies alone get around $70 billion. And that’s not counting the nearly $60 billion a year in tax breaks corporations enjoy by sheltering profits offshore. Or the $700 billion bailout banks got in 2008.
(Source: Think By Numbers)

18. Get themselves off welfare as soon as possible.
Despite the odds, the vast majority of beneficiaries leave the welfare rolls within five years. Even in the absence of official welfare-to-work programming, most welfare recipients enroll in some form of vocational training. Why? Because they’re desperate to get off welfare.
(Source: US Department of Health and Human Services)

19. Have about the same number of children as everyone else.
No, poor people do not have loads of children just so they can stay on welfare.
(Source: US Department of Health and Human Services)

20. Accomplish one single goal: stay alive.
Poverty in America may not be as dire as poverty in other parts of the world, but many working poor families are nonetheless preoccupied with day-to-day survival. For them, life is not something to be enjoyed so much as endured.

These are the real habits of the poor, those with whom Jesus identifies most closely.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:14 PM   #16
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:15 PM   #17
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It's all evil white people exploiting blacks by workin in there office jobs . They control the blacks from afar in their suburban office parks . It's elaborate and sinister
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:20 PM   #18
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20 things the poor deal with daily:

http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2013/1...-do-every-day/

2. Try to make $133 worth of food last a whole month.
That’s how much the average food stamp recipient gets each month. Imagine trying to eat well on $4.38 per day. It’s not easy, which is why many impoverished families resort to #3…
(Source: Kaiser Family Foundation)

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I can say working in the Social Service field in Kansas this is completely bullshit. Homes with children get way more than $133 dollars a month for food. Most get more than they could possible spend and actually sell there Food Stamp cards at half price for cash. From a man on the inside I can promise you there is some severe problems with our welfare and food stamp programs. Everyday I stop at QT on my way to work and see parents with a group of kids come into there and purchase god's amount of all sort of junk food and drinks for higher prices with their Food Stamp cards. (There is literally a Dillons and Walmart right next door with way cheaper and healther food) I know the programs inside and out and could actually make more money sitting at home on my ass doing nothing than working everyday. Kids growing up in that system also know this and a lot of time plan on following in their parents foot steps. (I couldn't count how many times I have had a kid say to me I can't wait to turn 18 so I start recieving benefits like my parents) We don't have enough people to handle fraud cases and even if they are caught their is no real penalty.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:20 PM   #19
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Gave maybe $10?
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:25 PM   #20
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Excellent OP.

Too few people who are not in poverty do understand it, unfortunately. The age of the Internet should honestly have brought us closer together, but I think what it's done has effectively isolated us from the plight of the impoverished.

We need to embrace policy on compassion and mercy for the poor.
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Poor america is not poor.

99% of poor america has a refigerator
98% of poor america has TV
98% of poor america has a stove
81% of poor america has a microwave
78% of poor america has AC
71% of poor america has at least one VCR
65% of poor america has more than one TV
65% of poor america has more than one DVD player
64% of poor america has cable/satalite TV

The list goes on. Ironically, the averages are very similar to the average american.

Poor in america would be pretty be rich compared to most other countries and normal living in almost all countries.

The fact is, that being poor is more benefitial than being in the lower middle class. You get less cash, but you bring home much more in subsidies--and you don't pay taxes (other than sales tax etc). And after Obamacare goes in full effect, your are damned if you are in the middle class because you get no assistance. The stigma is powerful though and that's what people shake.
I've mentioned this before, but I think we need to start measuring poverty in terms of standard of living, not money. If you're in the bottom 10 percent of a wealthy country and you have all you need, are you really poor?

If you examine things this way, you can then identify what gives a person a reasonable standard of living and concentrate on the people who don't have that.
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It's hard to get a clear understanding of what poor is and have a decent conversation about government programs and who and why they're on the government teet. So many generalizations and misguided stereotypes.

Everyone wants to think about nappy-headed Laquanda with her Obamaphone and her 5 hood rat kids and paint that as a portrait of the poor.

And i don't buy this bullshit narrative that life on foodstamps is better than a life with a job. It's bullshit that shows how ignorant people are about the subject.

If you have no desire to do anything but Eat, shit and sleep, then maybe the subsidized life is for you. But this is America. Most of us want nice cars, nice homes, shopping sprees and vacations. No one is getting that by living the subsidized life. Sure, there may be a few who **** the system, but it's not common.

By America's definition im considered "poor". I have some friends on foodstamps and i wouldn't trade my life for theirs.....ever. I might be considered poor, but at least i can take my kid to Disneyland if i feel like it or go buy whatever it is that i may need. I don't consider myself to be poor...probably because i know what the true definition of poor REALLY is.

These people on foodstamps have enough money to feed themselves and watch cable T.V. Everytime one of you dumbass's rambles on about how the Subsidized life is better than working i just wanna smack the shit out of you for being so ****ing retarded. You are seriously stupid. No Joke. Pull your head out of your ass, stop being so bitter and appreciate what you have, which 90% of the time is a much better quality of life than these welfare queens.

I might be "working Poor", but i make enough to take a vacation to Vegas every year...something my welfare friends could only dream about.

Yeah....the subsidized life.....living the American Dream....
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These threads about inequality will become more interesting when the liberals finally propose something new apart from taking money from white office workers and giving it to poor minorities. Send me a note if anyone spots a new idea from them
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It's hard to get a clear understanding of what poor is and have a decent conversation about government programs and who and why they're on the government teet. So many generalizations and misguided stereotypes.

Everyone wants to think about nappy-headed Laquanda with her Obamaphone and her 5 hood rat kids and paint that as a portrait of the poor.

And i don't buy this bullshit narrative that life on foodstamps is better than a life with a job. It's bullshit that shows how ignorant people are about the subject.

If you have no desire to do anything but Eat, shit and sleep, then maybe the subsidized life is for you. But this is America. Most of us want nice cars, nice homes, shopping sprees and vacations. No one is getting that by living the subsidized life. Sure, there may be a few who **** the system, but it's not common.

By America's definition im considered "poor". I have some friends on foodstamps and i wouldn't trade my life for theirs.....ever. I might be considered poor, but at least i can take my kid to Disneyland if i feel like it or go buy whatever it is that i may need. I don't consider myself to be poor...probably because i know what the true definition of poor REALLY is.

These people on foodstamps have enough money to feed themselves and watch cable T.V. Everytime one of you dumbass's rambles on about how the Subsidized life is better than working i just wanna smack the shit out of you for being so ****ing retarded. You are seriously stupid. No Joke. Pull your head out of your ass, stop being so bitter and appreciate what you have, which 90% of the time is a much better quality of life than these welfare queens.

I might be "working Poor", but i make enough to take a vacation to Vegas every year...something my welfare friends could only dream about.

Yeah....the subsidized life.....living the American Dream....
Exactly. Although, I would change 90% to 99%.
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Yea, still not funny nor do you actually make a point.

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