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Old 12-12-2013, 03:31 PM  
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Texas Lt Governor: We Shut Down the Border Ourselves

by Brandon Darby 7 Dec 2013

Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst announced a Texas-led three-week effort that he says reduced illegal immigration, smuggling, and human trafficking to a standstill in the Rio Grande River section of the U.S./Mexico border.

The Lt. Governor spoke with me in an interview for Breitbart News; he stated: “In the Rio Grande Valley sector, nearly nothing moved in those three weeks. We shut it down. We had teams of Texas law enforcement in the brush, high altitude aircraft, gun boats, and more," he explained. “Our intel revealed that the Gulf cartel was growing frustrated with our three-week effort.”

“The border issue is just about dollars and cents,” Dewhurst said. “This proves Texas can do the job the federal government has refused to do — to invest in the border and shut it down from illegal activities that are hurting Texans and other Americans.” He added: "Texas will protect our own citizens and other Americans from the criminal gangs that are destabilizing our state and our nation.”

The plan, according to Dewhurst, was to do a three-week operation with the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) as the tip of the spear. He said the effort cost approximately $5 million each month. “We are fixing to appropriate more money,” he said. The Lt. Governor is seeking an additional $60 million to be approved by the State Legislative Budget Board.

Dewhurst stated, “We started appropriating money to plug the holes that exist in the border. We’ve allocated hundreds of millions, as a state, since 2008.” He added: “Nearly 796 million of state money, not a dime federal, has been allocated by the State of Texas to plug the holes in our border. This covers things like over-time for Sheriffs’ deputies, equipment, and Texas Rangers SWAT teams [referring to the elite Texas Rangers, an arm of the DPS].”

Lt. Governor Dewhurst said the state has purchased a high-altitude spotter plane that can see six miles into Mexico at night, six new DPS helicopters that can also see at night, and six armored gunboats to patrol the Rio Grande River.

“For six or seven years, I’ve been calling on our congressional delegation in D.C., we need to at least double, if not triple, the size of our Border Patrol,” said the Lt. Governor. “The federal government is not providing the resources. I’ve grown convinced over the last year that this administration has no intention of securing the border.”

“This is just unacceptable,” he said. “ We have a problem and everyone knows it except for the Obama administration and people in high levels of Border Patrol.” The Lt. Governor did not stop there: “Organized crime groups in Texas are contracting with Mexican cartels to be their enforcers. The cartels' presence are in all of our major cities. Seven of the eight Mexican cartels operating in Texas are using our state as a staging area for their operations across the U.S.”

“Illegal immigration is one issue, and we all understand why people want to come here. I’m a strong believer in legal immigration, but not illegal immigration,” said the Lt. Governor. “We have young girls being trafficked as slaves for immoral purposes across our border and through our state. This cannot be allowed.”

“The bottom line is that we have just showed that we can shut down the border for ‘X’ number of dollars,” he said. “We need to find the $5 million per month to make these operations continuous and replicate what we have just accomplished.”

Dewhurst concluded the interview by stating, “The State of Texas and our nation deserve better than what we are getting from Washington, D.C. Until they adopt the Texas approach, we will continue to do what’s right for Texans and for our state ourselves.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rder-Ourselves
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:43 AM   #106
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Those huddled masses at that time were coming here legally.
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Old 12-13-2013, 02:20 PM   #107
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No, I don't. Since entering the country is a civil violation of the law, they technically aren't criminals (unless they've done it repeatedly).
Um. No. This is 100% wrong. Crossing the border ILLEGALLY is a misdemeanor for a first offense which makes it a CRIME therefore they are CRIMINALS.

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Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8....6BGwTYhl.dpuf
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Old 12-13-2013, 02:31 PM   #108
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Um. No. This is 100% wrong. Crossing the border ILLEGALLY is a misdemeanor for a first offense which makes it a CRIME therefore they are CRIMINALS.
You left off the important part:

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.

The first time they do it, it's a violation of civil not criminal law. Therefore, they aren't criminals.
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You left off the important part:

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.

The first time they do it, it's a violation of civil not criminal law. Therefore, they aren't criminals.
And you left off the fact that...

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Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
You don't know what you are talking about here. It's a criminal offense. Period.
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Old 12-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #110
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And you left off the fact that...



You don't know what you are talking about here. It's a criminal offense. Period.
That only applies to marriage fraud and immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud, not just some dork who come here looking for work.

The guy above has committed a CIVIL offense of CIVIL law as long as he hasn't done it repeatedly. Are you a criminal if you get a speeding ticket?
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That only applies to marriage fraud and immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud, not just some dork who come here looking for work.
No it doesn't... you are reading the statute incorrectly. That's my fault for linking to a poorly formatted one. Here is a better link http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

As you can see, the civil penalties are IN ADDITION to the criminal ones.

Hence why a FIRST TIME OFFENDER can serve 6 months in jail.
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #112
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No it doesn't... you are reading the statute incorrectly. That's my fault for linking to a poorly formatted one. Here is a better link http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

As you can see, the civil penalties are IN ADDITION to the criminal ones.

Hence why a FIRST TIME OFFENDER can serve 6 months in jail.
I think I see where we're got crossed. A first time illegal has committed a federal misdemeanor by crossing the border without authorization. However, even if caught in the act, they are rarely subjected to criminal prosecution and are instead given the civil penalty. Since one has to be charged, tried and convicted in order to be classified as a criminal in the eyes of the law....

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http://blog.chron.com/immigration/20...-crime-or-not/
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I think I see where we're got crossed. A first time illegal has committed a federal misdemeanor by crossing the border without authorization. However, even if caught in the act, they are rarely subjected to criminal prosecution and are instead given the civil penalty. Since one has to be charged, tried and convicted in order to be classified as a criminal in the eyes of the law....

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http://blog.chron.com/immigration/20...-crime-or-not/
Oh yes they are almost NEVER given a criminal penalty... but we disagree on what makes someone a criminal. To me I go by the definition which is simply "one who commits a crime." Crossing the border illegally is a crime.

Oh, and that's a good link. Pretty decent explanation of things.
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Oh yes they are almost NEVER given a criminal penalty... but we disagree on what makes someone a criminal. To me I go by the definition which is simply "one who commits a crime." Crossing the border illegally is a crime.
Trick question: If somebody came to the border and jumped back and forth across it multiple times, could they be given the death penalty in Texas?
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Trick question: If somebody came to the border and jumped back and forth across it multiple times, could they be given the death penalty in Texas?
well duh! Why wait for them to cross? You can just shoot em, drag em over the border and yell "HE WAS COMING RIGHT FOR ME!"

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Oh yes they are almost NEVER given a criminal penalty... but we disagree on what makes someone a criminal. To me I go by the definition which is simply "one who commits a crime." Crossing the border illegally is a crime.

Oh, and that's a good link. Pretty decent explanation of things.
It's only a crime if they get caught in the act, though. Not having legal immigration documentation isn't a crime. And, while it's icky, one has to be charged, tried and convicted to be considered a criminal in the eyes of the law. As if Pedro who speaks no English and says he's from Panama teleported here...

I now have a ****ing headache from reading this legal crap. I hate lawyers.
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well duh! Why wait for them to cross? You can just shoot em, drag em over the border and yell "HE WAS COMING RIGHT FOR ME!"

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