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Old 12-13-2013, 02:02 AM  
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An interesting hole in evolutionary theory (as we understand it)

I came across this in my travels tonight, and thought it might make for an eye-brow raiser...

The long and short of it - some researchers decided to reverse apply Moore's Law to human biology. Using their Moore's Law-based computations, they first applied it to modern computers, and came up with the right answer - that microchips showed up right around the 1960's.

They then took the same computations and applied it to biological complexity (which, of course, humans are the pinnacle of as we know it). The results suggest that life began 5 billion years before the Earth even existed...



What it really means, who knows... The researchers who ran the computations refused to call it a theory and instead label it a "thought excersize" (the cowards!). In any case, it's pretty damned interesting.

The article can be read here:
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-law-life-began-earth.html
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Old 12-15-2013, 07:54 PM   #151
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:07 PM   #152
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Last week a Colorado professor claimed that Homosapiens were created when a monkey and a pig had sex.
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Look up Eugene McCarthy and he's from Georgia, not Colorado. My mistake.
Doesn't look like Dr. McCarthy is a professor at Georgia or anywhere. It's not clear if he ever was a professor, but it doesn't look like it. Looks like he's obsessed with hybrids and his papers keep getting rejected for publication in peer journals.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:12 PM   #153
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Doesn't look like Dr. McCarthy is a professor at Georgia or anywhere. It's not clear if he ever was a professor, but it doesn't look like it. Looks like he's obsessed with hybrids and his papers keep getting rejected for publication in peer journals.

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Debunked.
Well, he did actually say the pig-monkey thing. He's just not someone taken seriously in his field.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:19 PM   #155
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Here's what you are wrong about Brainiac-- even men of science have ridiculed and suppressed scientific knowledge that is new. Look what was done to Dr. Semmelweis because established scientific and medical opinions of his time were that diseases were an imbalance of the basic "four humours" whereby bloodletting was DOGMA of the day.

It's part of the nature of mankind to act like this when something challenges current orthodoxy or accepted opinions of one's day. It's called cultural lag and it doesn't just happen in religious institutions. That's the view of bigots.
Sure. That does happen. One example is the notion of "race" in human beings, which doesn't actually exist in any biological or anthropological sense. That false concept has done tremendous damage to just about every society on the face of the Earth. The difference though is that good science eventually always wins over bad science. Religion provides an arena where a specific agenda will always be reinforced.
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Well, he did actually say the pig-monkey thing. He's just not someone taken seriously in his field.
I'm still going to count it.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:24 PM   #157
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This article has been debunked many times over. All cases they mention fit the definition of micro evolution. If your reading comprehension was better you wouldn't have fallen for the the fancy tree charts. Sometimes you have to dig past the pictures to realize that their argument is false.
Sorry, I don't find your unsupported assertion to be very convincing. If that article has truly been debunked, post a link. And make it be a link that is something other than a creationist web site.

Now if YOU want to point to specific examples of things that are factually wrong in the article and you can back up your assertion with real evidence, then you'll have something.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:27 PM   #158
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You should have saved yourself the time because your links are meaningless to me. I said: "There's plenty of myth about the suppression of science by the Catholic Church out there too. Particularly on Galileo." I never specified what on Galileo, nor claimed parts were untrue, but that didn't prevent you from assuming things about what I meant by that general statement. Hope you don't jump to conclusions as a scientist like that.
It sounds like you're doing a serious case of backpedaling here. You spoke of "myth" regarding suppression of science by the Catholic Church, particularly on Galileo. I showed you that it's a known historical fact that the Church DID IN FACT suppress the science to the point that it threw Galileo in jail.

Your response of "Well, THAT'S not the suppression I was talking about" is childish.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:30 PM   #159
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It sounds like you're doing a serious case of backpedaling here. You spoke of
"myth" regarding suppression of science by the Catholic Church, particularly on Galileo. I showed you that it's a known historical fact that the Church DID IN FACT suppress the science to the point that it threw Galileo in jail.

Your response of "Well, THAT'S not the suppression I was talking about" is childish.
No it's not. I intentionally said it that way to get the reaction I knew I'd get.
It was all stated generally. You need to read better. And there is more to the Galileo story and other different alleged myths on the RCC and institution made up of men-- the same kind that have suppressed science outside of any Church. It happens...and it's not due to religion.

Now shut up!
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:34 PM   #160
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Here's what you are wrong about Brainiac-- even men of science have ridiculed and suppressed scientific knowledge that is new. Look what was done to Dr. Semmelweis because established scientific and medical opinions of his time were that diseases were an imbalance of the basic "four humours" whereby bloodletting was DOGMA of the day.

It's part of the nature of mankind to act like this when something challenges current orthodoxy or accepted opinions of one's day. It's called cultural lag and it doesn't just happen in religious institutions. That's the view of bigots.
There's a pretty big difference between scientists ridiculing each other and trying to disprove each other versus what the Catholic Church did to Galileo.

They threw him in prison. Eventually, under incredible duress, they got him to falsely claim that he was mistaken and that the sun does indeed revolve around the earth. They broke him.

You really don't see a difference?

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Now shut up!
There's that childish streak rearing its ugly head again.
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There's that childish streak rearing its ugly head again.
Thought it was a nice touch since it matches your hysteria about religion.

For cryin' out loud, the Roman Catholic Church sheltered Kepler against the persecutions of Calvinists. They also encouraged the work of Copernicus.
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Thought it was a nice touch since it matches your hysteria about religion.

For cryin' out loud, the Roman Catholic Church sheltered Kepler against the persecutions of Calvinists. They also encouraged the work of Copernicus.
Good for the Catholic Church.

Does that make it OK to throw Galileo into prison and turn him into a broken-down old man who recants what he knows to be the truth?
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There's a pretty big difference between scientists ridiculing each other and trying to disprove each other versus what the Catholic Church did to Galileo.

They threw him in prison. Eventually, under incredible duress, they got him to falsely claim that he was mistaken and that the sun does indeed revolve around the earth. They broke him.

You really don't see a difference?

Galileo was under house arrest. He lived comfortably. Keep embellishing. The problem was his "caustic manner and aggressive tactics." That's why there's more to the Galileo story. He was also wrong about the tides and that planets orbited in perfect circles. IIRC he was wrong about many scientific things and right on a few.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ld/wh0005.html
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Good for the Catholic Church.

Does that make it OK to throw Galileo into prison and turn him into a broken-down old man who recants what he knows to be the truth?
See my Post #164. His position was met enthusiasm by some in the church and hostility by others. Ya' know like in most organizations.
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