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Old 12-13-2013, 02:02 AM  
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An interesting hole in evolutionary theory (as we understand it)

I came across this in my travels tonight, and thought it might make for an eye-brow raiser...

The long and short of it - some researchers decided to reverse apply Moore's Law to human biology. Using their Moore's Law-based computations, they first applied it to modern computers, and came up with the right answer - that microchips showed up right around the 1960's.

They then took the same computations and applied it to biological complexity (which, of course, humans are the pinnacle of as we know it). The results suggest that life began 5 billion years before the Earth even existed...



What it really means, who knows... The researchers who ran the computations refused to call it a theory and instead label it a "thought excersize" (the cowards!). In any case, it's pretty damned interesting.

The article can be read here:
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-law-life-began-earth.html
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:57 PM   #166
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Galileo was under house arrest. He lived comfortably. Keep embellishing. The problem was his "caustic manner and aggressive tactics." That's why there's more to the Galileo story. He was also wrong about the tides and that planets orbited in perfect circles. IIRC he was wrong about many scientific things and right on a few.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ld/wh0005.html
LOL

Your excuses are really lame. And do you seriously think that posting a link to a Catholic web site is compelling evidence regarding whether or not the Catholic church behaved badly?
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #167
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Galileo was, in fact, treated with great consideration. Against all precedent, he was housed with a personal valet in a luxurious apartment overlooking the Vatican gardens. As for the trial itself, given the evidence and the apparent injunction of 1616, it was by the standards of 17th century Europe extremely fair. The historian Giorgio de Santillana, who is not disposed toward the Church's side, writes that “we must, if anything, admire the cautiousness and legal scruples of the Roman authorities” in a period when thousands of “witches” and other religous deviants were subjected to juridical murder in northern Europe and New England.
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Galileo was finally condemned by the Holy Office as “vehemently suspected of heresy.” The choice of words was debatable, as Copernicanism had never been declared heretical by either the ordinary or extraordinary Magisterium of the Church. In any event, Galileo was sentenced to abjure the theory and to keep silent on the subject for the rest of his life, which he was permitted to spend in a pleasant country house near Florence. As the philosopher Alfred North Whitehead wrote, “In a generation which saw the Thirty Years' War and remembered Alva in the Netherlands, the worst that happened to men of science was that Galileo suffered an honorable detention and a mild reproof, before dying peacefully in his bed.” And it is notable that three of the ten Cardinals who sat on the Commission did not sign the judgment, although we do not know their precise motives for abstaining.
Certainly you should be willing to hear both sides of the story.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:59 PM   #168
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Certainly you should be willing to hear both sides of the story.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ld/wh0005.html
Again, if you want to be taken seriously, post a link to something other than catholiceducation.org.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:02 PM   #169
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LOL

Your excuses are really lame. And do you seriously think that posting a link to a Catholic web site is compelling evidence regarding whether or not the Catholic church behaved badly?
I knew you were going to say that. Look at two of the historians cited who generally are not favorable to the RCC. There are also two sides to every story and often a third...then there's the truth. Certainly, if you are a fair person, you'd consider the testimony of the other side. Right?

Afterall, that's what gets done in our own courts of law where trying of fact is supposed to happen. Each side presents their versions.

However, I didn't get it from there originally, although I did get it from a Catholic scholar who is very versed in history, was a history teacher, as well as Catholic history as well as Canon Law etc. He was the one who corrected me on the Galileo story, particularly about house arrest versus prison. And he can admit to where there were abuses. The RCC did play a substantial role in the building of western civilization. But we live in America where Catholic bashing, complete with exaggerations, half-truths and some falsehoods abound.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:05 PM   #170
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Again, if you want to be taken seriously, post a link to something other than catholiceducation.org.
Why should I do that, when I am presenting their side of the story?
Would you actually dismiss one side's testimony in a court of law?
You sound bigoted to me.

Now look, it says catholic "EDUCATION." Again, there are two historians cited that are not generally favorable to the RCC for some of the points I posted, which is why I used them. Furthermore, you won't know from non-Catholics what the actual views of the Magisterium is either. So that should be good enough. You won't get the other side of the story accurately by sources with an axe to grind.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:12 PM   #171
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Oh, and before I forget, natural philosophers during Galileo's time had difficulty with his claims at the time because it conflicted with scientific ideas of earlier men. Men who were pagans btw. O.M.G. the RCC accepted ideas from Pagans.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:13 PM   #172
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No it's not. I intentionally said it that way to get the reaction I knew I'd get.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:14 PM   #173
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You are always just one step ahead of me. I am in awe of the brilliance of BucEyedPea.
It has nothing to do with brilliance. I've had this debate before--even here. It's to be expected. You science types who seem to be progs can be robotic on some things and accept enough of your own falsehoods, just because things have been "accepted" version of events.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #174
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Galileo was tried because he insulted the Pope, who in fact was his patron and asked him to write the book in the first place and include The Pope's views.

Now, the thing is that the insult was probably not intended at all by Galileo but there had already been some rumblings of the Pope's weakness and Galileo became a sacrificial lamb. There is much more to the story then church hates science.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #175
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You want another source...unfortunately it's wikipedia but they mention some of things I said, like on his personality and how it made him enemies--and not just in the RCC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:19 PM   #176
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Galileo was tried because he insulted the Pope, who in fact was his patron and asked him to write the book in the first place and include The Pope's views.

Now, the thing is that the insult was probably not intended at all by Galileo but there had already been some rumblings of the Pope's weakness and Galileo became a sacrificial lamb. There is much more to the story then church hates science.
The bold is my essential point here. Also the claim he remained in a prison is another touch used to embellish how cruelly he was treated.
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Tom Woods wrote the book on how the RCC built western civilization. Here he is on the Galileo affair.

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Old 12-16-2013, 08:53 AM   #178
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Galileo was tried because he insulted the Pope, who in fact was his patron and asked him to write the book in the first place and include The Pope's views.

Now, the thing is that the insult was probably not intended at all by Galileo but ...
I think he used a dunce and had the words of the Pope come out of it. That sounds intentional to me. Pretty ballsy for Inquisition times.
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