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Old 12-16-2013, 04:16 PM  
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Real Talk: The Defense

So I was having a conversation with a fellow Chiefs fan the other day that has had the opportunity to watch some game film from since the San Diego game. I just wanted to get some good football opinion on what he said because it makes sense to me.

Basically Earlier in the season we were screaming that our offense was vanilla and we weren't doing many "dynamic" things. In week 11 and 12 we saw a different offense, more dynamic plays and Alex throwing down the field. There were some theories that the reason the offense was so vanilla was that we weren't trying to give up the whole playbook right away.

Starting in week 12 we saw a huge departure of the defense we had come to love in the first 11 weeks. Granted some of the departure could have been due to injuries (Hali/Houston) but what interests me the most is that my friend has said that we are not blitzing or stunting as much as we were earlier in the season. I'm wondering if we are going "vanilla" on defense so that there will be less game film on what we will really do come playoff time? I know conspiracy theory, but I think it makes sense, as long as we know we can do what we did in the Raiders game and not have another San Diego game.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game yesterday, I get it Lewis is a terrible safety I have been saying that all year too, however I think that the lack of blitzing and stunting has left our secondary even more exposed than normal.


So what do the CP experts think?
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:26 PM   #76
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6) Houston is a huge loss to pass defense. best cover backer on the team, perhaps in the league and the dude is a huge motor during pass defense. his loss is big. hopeful he comes back 100%.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:28 PM   #77
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They said the chiefs are now 22nd in total defense. They couldn't recall a time when a team dropped this much in one season.
Last season the 49'ers defense went to $3it the final 4 games and the playoffs.

They started puking up pts.

This defense was always high risk - high reward.

I think this D will be fine vs. 1st round teams. I'd be confident playing anyone.

But the Pats or Donks? When we play a QB that can make quick fire decisions consistently and negate our pass rush?...
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:28 PM   #78
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If you give up 500 yards to a Qb, the odds are good that they've scored a lot of points and aren't punting.

Not every Qb is gonna be turnover prone like Matt McGloin.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree but like I said I would make that trade you can have all the passing yards you want but no points and it happened with Campbell, Keenum and Fitzpatrick but none of them could generate more than 17 points offense and in order to win in the NFL you have to be able to score more than 17 points
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:28 PM   #79
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That is the risk/reward for blitzing and not getting there though

I'll take it as long as the end result isn't a TD
That's the point though, man.

Against good QB's the blitz won't get there because our DB's can't cover long enough to allow the pressure to get there.

If you're going to Blitz you need to have the DB's to punish you for chucking it up. Right now, QB's are completing damn near everything. They're identifying the 1v1 matchups and throwing it up. Our DB's don't have the ball skills and our safties are often out of position to make the QB pay for it.

Like you said: Risk vs Reward. And right now the Reward for going deep on the Chiefs is far greater than the risk....especially if the DB you're attacking is Cooper is has been Bartee like with getting his head around.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:29 PM   #80
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Former coaches on espn are talking about Sutton being to safe yet some on here know more than these guys who study film all day. Some of you act like you know the secondary coverage calls. Are the safeties playing outside - in or inside-out? Are the safeties playing cover 3 or cover 4 with a robber on the under routes? None of us know the calls so it's to easy to blame.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:31 PM   #81
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That is the risk/reward for blitzing and not getting there though

I'll take it as long as the end result isn't a TD
Off the top of my head just thinking back, I can't remember more than 5 blitzes in that game, 2 of which were late in the game, and succesful and pivotal in the win.
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That's the point though, man.

Against good QB's the blitz won't get there because our DB's can't cover long enough to allow the pressure to get there.

If you're going to Blitz you need to have the DB's to punish you for chucking it up. Right now, QB's are completing damn near everything. They're identifying the 1v1 matchups and throwing it up. Our DB's don't have the ball skills and our safties are often out of position to make the QB pay for it.

Like you said: Risk vs Reward. And right now the Reward for going deep on the Chiefs is far greater than the risk....especially if the DB you're attacking is Cooper is has been Bartee like with getting his head around.
It's not even about 1 guy. Each game a QB can find the 1 on 1 they like and milk it.

Smith is the most Bartee-like corner on this team. The guy is consistently in position to make a play and almost never does. His situational awareness is $3it.

You can excuse some of that in a rookie like Cooper. He should get better with time. Smith is a different story...
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I wouldn't necessarily disagree nut like I said I would make that trade you can have all the passing yards you want but no points and it happened with Campbell, Keenum and Fitzpatrick but none of them could generate more than 17 points offense and in order to win in the NFL you have to be able to score more than 17 points
Back to the original point, lol. They couldn't generate points because they weren't quality starting QB's. Yes, they didn't score. But you could SEE the obvious deficiencies in the Defense. That's OTWP's entire point. The writing was on the wall. You could see how easily this D could be exposed by starting caliber QB's.

When the Chiefs faced Manning/Rivers they got Gaped, cummed in and left on the curb.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:34 PM   #84
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That's the point though, man.

Against good QB's the blitz won't get there because our DB's can't cover long enough to allow the pressure to get there.

If you're going to Blitz you need to have the DB's to punish you for chucking it up. Right now, QB's are completing damn near everything. They're identifying the 1v1 matchups and throwing it up. Our DB's don't have the ball skills and our safties are often out of position to make the QB pay for it.

Like you said: Risk vs Reward. And right now the Reward for going deep on the Chiefs is far greater than the risk....especially if the DB you're attacking is Cooper is has been Bartee like with getting his head around.
Well my original point was that we aren't blitzing as much which is leaving our weaker secondary exposed. I would like to see how many times we sent more than 4 guys after the QB yesterday
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Lets be real here too though guys, this defense, especially the scheme, is predicated on Houston, Hali, Poe especially getting pressure and being hellbats.

Obviously Houston is out, Tamba isn't looking to be 100 percent yet, and Poe is running on fumes.
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When the Chiefs faced Manning/Rivers they got Gaped, cummed in and left on the curb.
it's true but how much of that was because we weren't blitzing as much and relying on coverage sacks vs just not getting there in time OR calling blitzes in the wrong situations
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Off the top of my head just thinking back, I can't remember more than 5 blitzes in that game, 2 of which were late in the game, and succesful and pivotal in the win.
To which game are you referring good sir?
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Good QB's eat up blitzes.

You aren't beating Manning with blitzes. You beat him with constant pressure form your front.
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To which game are you referring good sir?
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