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Old 02-27-2013, 11:45 AM  
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Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. (part 2)





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Old 12-17-2013, 09:41 AM   #76
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Everyone is even more "team game" after the losses.


What a crock of bullshit.

It's been nothing but, "well, Alex did enough to win, not his fault the defense gave up X, Y and Z" from the folks that screamed "TEAM GAME" when he was riding that same defense to a 9-0 start.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:49 AM   #77
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There's just too many factors and moving parts in a football game to use wins and losses to justify a single players worth.

Players do obviously contribute to wins an losses, but to put "blame" or "praise" on a guy is pretty insufficient in most cases. There are exceptions, but for the most part, wins as losses are team stats.

It's why I hate the way cowboys fans bash romo. He's carried a shit roster and put them in position for all those "chokes" that seem to always be on him. In reality, it's just not that simple.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:51 AM   #78
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He has played some of the best ball of his career the last 4 weeks and the team is only 2-2, so you are right. 9-0 and was kind of meh.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:52 AM   #79
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There's just too many factors and moving parts in a football game to use wins and losses to justify a single players worth.

Players do obviously contribute to wins an losses, but to put "blame" or "praise" on a guy is pretty insufficient in most cases. There are exceptions, but for the most part, wins as losses are team stats.

It's why I hate the way cowboys fans bash romo. He's carried a shit roster and put them in position for all those "chokes" that seem to always be on him. In reality, it's just not that simple.
To add to this, it's pretty ridiculous to state because aguy sucks with x team, thank god we didn't draft him. It's a somewhat true that a guy might suck here too, but there are just to many variables to say either way.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:54 AM   #80
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He has played some of the best ball of his career the last 4 weeks and the team is only 2-2, so you are right. 9-0 and was kind of meh.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:01 AM   #81
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What a crock of bullshit.

It's been nothing but, "well, Alex did enough to win, not his fault the defense gave up X, Y and Z" from the folks that screamed "TEAM GAME" when he was riding that same defense to a 9-0 start.
All I've heard is Alex played good enough to win BUT its a team game and the D didn't play good enough to win.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:04 AM   #82
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All I've heard is Alex played good enough to win BUT its a team game and the D didn't play good enough to win.


OK.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:04 AM   #83
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You might want to read the thread, then - because I said the same thing. I want the monkey off our backs, and I really don't care how it happens.

With that said, there's also nothing wrong with people wanting to see how that game plays out. I'm not sure why it's a problem, considering the flip side - where people used the first 9 games as some sort of, "yeah, told you so" when anyone with a set of eyes knows he played average ball at best and rode the defense to 9 wins.

There are a ton of reasons this debate will likely never end:

-Many of the people involved aren't even arguing the topic anymore, they are just arguing the poster themselves.

-Many are absolute extremists who refuse to consider any middle ground.

-The Niner trolls continue to stir the pot.

-There are plenty of jackasses who can't formulate a coherent argument on their own, so they resort to bringing up Geno Smith.

-Some can't even stick to their original argument, and want to have it both ways.

Example: First 9 weeks - "He's 9-0! All he does is win!"

When pointed out that the defense/ST did the majority of the heavy lifting, the boilerplate response? "It's a team game."

Fast-forward to present day. We're 2-3 over the last 5 games. Apparently, it's not a "team game" anymore.

Nothing is going to change here, which is why I've stayed out of the conversation for the most part, along with the fact that AS has played well the last couple of weeks. Let's hope we continue to see "Charger Game Alex" and not "First 9 Weeks" Alex.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:05 AM   #84
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:05 AM   #85
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Is it just me, or do you lose almost all respect for someone that has multiple "favorite teams?" In the same sport?

Damn I hate bandwagon fans.

These 49ers fans have to be the pussiest fans I've ever encountered.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:09 AM   #86
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Is it just me, or do you lose almost all respect for someone that has multiple "favorite teams?" In the same sport?

Damn I hate bandwagon fans.

These 49ers fans have to be the pussiest fans I've ever encountered.
Almost all respect?

Nah.

All respect.
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Almost all respect?

Nah.

All respect.
This.

I've got zero problem if you're a fan of a player. No big deal. But that does not mean that you're a fan of the team. Don't act like you know anything about the team.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:11 AM   #88
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:15 AM   #89
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This.

I've got zero problem if you're a fan of a player. No big deal. But that does not mean that you're a fan of the team. Don't act like you know anything about the team.
It's sad that I have equal respect for KnowMo that I do for any of these 49ers fans.

These guys have no backbone.

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Being from Utah I guess they could be Alex's wives
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