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Old 12-19-2013, 08:10 AM  
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Luke 2:1-20

In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) And everyone went to his own town to register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about." So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:15 AM   #2
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Christmas means "the anointed one being sent off to a mission". So when you say "Merry Christmas", you are acknowledging the fact that the Son of God being sent to earth to fulfill the salvation for the mankind. No wonder the secular world wants to change the wordings to "Happy Holiday".

Yes, Merry Christmas to you all.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:47 AM   #3
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:49 AM   #4
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witnesses are Shepherds and Kings?

...just other examples of Christ.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:18 AM   #5
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I would also suggest some study on your post. God is not Great Hitchens adresses this subject. It has been well researched by several other sources as well. In chapter 8 he covers some of the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

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Old 12-19-2013, 10:02 AM   #6
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I would also suggest some study on your post. God is not Great Hitchens adresses this subject. It has been well researched by several other sources as well. In chapter 8 he covers some of the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:29 AM   #7
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This was your exact response last time. Sorry bro but this has been researched and it is the simple truth. He was looking for debate or he would have just said Merry Christmas and I would have done the same. He makes a claim and I offered a rebuttal. Anyway Merry Christmas to you and your family Steve~
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:41 AM   #8
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This was your exact response last time. Sorry bro but this has been researched and it is the simple truth. He was looking for debate or he would have just said Merry Christmas and I would have done the same. He makes a claim and I offered a rebuttal. Anyway Merry Christmas to you and your family Steve~
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:44 AM   #9
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I would also suggest some study on your post. God is not Great Hitchens adresses this subject. It has been well researched by several other sources as well. In chapter 8 he covers some of the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

This aside Merry Christmas to you and yours also~
Sorry RNR, I don't believe Hitchens anymore than you belive the account in the scripture.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #12
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Sorry RNR, I don't believe Hitchens anymore than you belive the account in the scripture.
Read the post it is Hitchens and most every historian. As I said you were looking for a debate or this thread would have been us exchanging greetings. Those are the facts believe as you wish~
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:07 AM   #13
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What needs debunking? That Jesus was born on December 25? That's not even worthy of effort. It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus, but there's no way he was actually born on that day.
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:11 PM   #14
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What needs debunking? That Jesus was born on December 25? That's not even worthy of effort. It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus, but there's no way he was actually born on that day.
I offer this as a rebuttal
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"Thus, December 25th as the date of the Christ’s birth appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences upon the practice of the Church during or after Constantine’s time. It is wholly unlikely to have been the actual date of Christ’s birth, but it arose entirely from the efforts of early Latin Christians to determine the historical date of Christ’s death."

It seems to be agreeing with me.
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