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2014 Royals Repository

With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository.

To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985.

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Duncan's Top 15 Royals Prospects

1) RHP Yordano Ventura
Power pitcher knocking on the rotation's door. Needs to continue progressing command and changeup but has ToR potential.
2) RHP Kyle Zimmer
Needs to stay healthy and prove shoulder stiffness was not something that becomes chronic. Big-time heater and curve, could be true ace if changeup and slider progress.
3) SS Raul (Adalberto) Mondesi
Held his own at 17/18 in full season ball. Has the glove to stick at SS and be above-average. Pairs that with a hitting profile that could top out as a .300 hitter with 15-20 HR power.
4) LHP Sean Manaea
Big wildcard. If healthy and back to normal, could be THE steal of 2013 draft. Was in line for No. 1 overall entering college season at Indiana State but slipped due to hip injury. ToR potential if healthy and 100 percent back. Tall left who throws hard and misses bats.
5) RHP Miguel Almonte
Advanced FB/Changeup combo for a young pitcher. Needs to develop breaking ball further to be a truly elite prospect, but warrants some comparisons to Julio Teheran.
6) RF Jorge Bonifacio
Emilio's little brother battled hand injury in 2013, sapping some power, but put up strong overall line nonetheless. Profiles as a good contact guy with 20-25 HR power. Could be a Billy Butler-lite type, but with the ability to play LF/RF.
7) 3B Hunter Dozier
Had a nice debut. Showed advanced glovework and good approach. Has good pop from right side, which is a big bonus from a corner spot.
8) CF Bubba Starling
Tools are still there, and he showed some positive signs in the second half. Draws a good amount of walks. With a good year (.280/.400/.500) could vault back into top 25 lists due to tools. Upside remains a Matt Kemp sort. Floor remains really low.
9) LF/RF Elier Hernandez
Big-time signee in international FA had a strong year in Idaho. Good pop, solid plate discipline.
10) SS Orlando Calixte
He can pick it at SS and has intriguing power. Might never be more than a UTIL guy, but could be a solid regular if he starts making more contact as he gains experience.
11) RHP Jason Adam
Solid innings eater who was better than his numbers at AA. Stuff is inconsistent... occasionally flashes No. 3-type stuff.
12) 3B Cheslor Cuthbert
Big signing out of Venezuela several years back still has some upside. Had a strong start to his season at High-A Wilmington but really struggled to start at AA.
13) C Zane Evans
Evans has the chops to stick behind the dish with a little more polish and should hit for solid power.
14) CF Brett Eibner
Less talented than Starling, but similar issues. DESTROYS LHP and is an excellent defender in CF (strong arm, good range, good speed). Had a strong second-half (.260/.350/500) in Northwest Arkansas and faces a critical year in Omaha.
15) 1B Samir Duenez
Young signing out of Venezuela. Showed well in rookie ball and has long-term power potential.

AL Central offseason grades: (Will be replaced by standings once season starts)

Detroit Tigers: D.
Seemingly gave away Doug Fister, downgraded lineup with Ian Kinsler for Prince Fielder swap. Did improve closer spot with Joe Nathan, though this was not as big a weakness at year's end.

Cleveland Indians: C
Cleveland has sat out most of the offseason. Swapping John Axford in and Chris Perez out is a sideways move. David Murphy is a nice signing for the OF.

Chicago White Sox: B

Chicago spent big on Jose Abreu to cover 1B, and it could pay off if he is as good as recent Cuban imports. Still not a lot around Chris Sale in the rotation. Adam Eaton is a sneaky good pickup for top of lineup, if he can stay healthy.

Minnesota Twins: D-
Ricky Nolasco contract will be a regrettable long-term decision, and the rotation improvements are minimal, but at great cost. Lot of money/years committed to Phil Hughes, who is a wildcard due to his health and performance issues in the past. 1/$5 is a nice gamble. 3/$24? Yikes.

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Old 01-09-2014, 12:41 PM   #301
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The problem with this line of thinking is that at the time, almost nobody cared or thought it was wrong. Its not like there was this dark taboo that they decided to violate for immoral gain, almost no one cared. Its easy to view the past from today's lens, but public opinion on this did change rather drastically.
If "nobody thought this was wrong," why did these guy all lawyer up and deny deny deny?
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:44 PM   #302
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There's another issue thats not talked about much, but should be a serious concern for Cooperstown if they want to survive in the long-run.

I literally have no reason or desire to ever go to the hall of fame. Why? Because the best players I saw during the time I've been watching baseball are apparently banned right now. If Clemons, Bonds, McGwire, etc aren't in the hall, then I don't care.

All those old farts who are shaking their fists at the PED era have something else to fall back on when they visit, old baseball heroes they watched long ago, but not me. While I may respect the statistical accomplishments of those who were inducted this year, I only saw a few years of their careers, I simply have not been watching baseball long enough to give a tinker's damn about anyone who is in the hall, other than Brett and thats just because he's a Royal, I didn't even see him play.

After the old farts are all invalid or dead, if they were looking to turn Cooperstown into a desolate ghost town that no one visits, then they are on their way.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:45 PM   #303
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It's also a slap in the face to players of that same era who were great WITHOUT cheating by using PEDs.
Nobody knows who did and did not use PEDs, besides maybe the media and owners, but they never said anything about at the time either. It was a part of the game when they played and they should not be punished for it.
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If "nobody thought this was wrong," why did these guy all lawyer up and deny deny deny?
The time when they were using was a VASTLY different time than when they "lawyered up" and "denied".

Its really not deniable, maybe you don't remember, but roids was a running joke that people weren't offended by, but rather just joked and laughed at during the time that McGwire/Sosa chased the HR record.
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There's another issue thats not talked about much, but should be a serious concern for Cooperstown if they want to survive in the long-run.

I literally have no reason or desire to ever go to the hall of fame. Why? Because the best players I saw during the time I've been watching baseball are apparently banned right now. If Clemons, Bonds, McGwire, etc aren't in the hall, then I don't care.

All those old farts who are shaking their fists at the PED era have something else to fall back on when they visit, old baseball heroes they watched long ago, but not me. While I may respect the statistical accomplishments of those who were inducted this year, I only saw a few years of their careers, I simply have not been watching baseball long enough to give a damn about anyone who is in the hall, other than Brett and thats just because he's a Royal, I didn't even see him play.

After the old farts are all invalid or dead, if they were looking to turn Cooperstown into a desolate ghost that no one visits, then they are on their way.
How old are you? I always assumed that you were an old fart.
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If "nobody thought this was wrong," why did these guy all lawyer up and deny deny deny?
Congress got involved which could mean jail time for lying. They needed professional liars at that point. See: Clemens, Roger.
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How old are you? I always assumed that you were an old fart.
I'm 35, I still have a good generation or two to go of watching the Royals lose 100 games. Losing is all I've ever known, I was not a baseball fan until the late 90's, and didn't watch a lot of baseball until about 10 years ago.
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There's another issue thats not talked about much, but should be a serious concern for Cooperstown if they want to survive in the long-run.

I literally have no reason or desire to ever go to the hall of fame. Why? Because the best players I saw during the time I've been watching baseball are apparently banned right now. If Clemons, Bonds, McGwire, etc aren't in the hall, then I don't care.

All those old farts who are shaking their fists at the PED era have something else to fall back on when they visit, old baseball heroes they watched long ago, but not me. While I may respect the statistical accomplishments of those who were inducted this year, I only saw a few years of their careers, I simply have not been watching baseball long enough to give a tinker's damn about anyone who is in the hall, other than Brett and thats just because he's a Royal, I didn't even see him play.

After the old farts are all invalid or dead, if they were looking to turn Cooperstown into a desolate ghost town that no one visits, then they are on their way.
If you don't have a love for the history of the game, then I can't help you. The history of the game is one of the fundamental pillars that makes baseball great.
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The time when they were using was a VASTLY different time than when they "lawyered up" and "denied".

Its really not deniable, maybe you don't remember, but roids was a running joke that people weren't offended by, but rather just joked and laughed at during the time that McGwire/Sosa chased the HR record.
This is revisionist history.

There were plenty of players that were NOT juicing that detested the drugs becoming a part of the game. Players who were dirty were making dirty money, at the expense of the honesty and integrity of the players who stayed clean.

There's plenty of players from that era who put up HOF numbers without having to cheat to get there.
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If you don't have a love for the history of the game, then I can't help you. The history of the game is one of the fundamental pillars that makes baseball great.
Most people go to the hall of fame to view the exhibits, plaques, and tributes to baseball players they cheered for. This facade of going because of "history" is a bunch of hogwash for almost all of them.
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This is revisionist history.

There were plenty of players that were NOT juicing that detested the drugs becoming a part of the game. Players who were dirty were making dirty money, at the expense of the honesty and integrity of the players who stayed clean.

There's plenty of players from that era who put up HOF numbers without having to cheat to get there.
I don't give a damn.

I do care about players who break the rules today because they are clearly illegal and tested for, but it was not even discouraged back then, and the excluded players were the greatest players of their era. A hall of fame without Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens, is a pathetic institution unworthy of being called a "hall of fame".

It is also clear that most fans want them inducted. The hall of fame is supposed to belong to them, not to a few hundred sportswriters.
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Most people go to the hall of fame to view the exhibits, plaques, and tributes to baseball players they cheered for. This facade of going because of "history" is a bunch of hogwash for almost all of them.
Have you ever been there?

I've been there three times, including to see Brett's induction.

I think if you'd ever taken a trip to Cooperstown, it would change your mind. If you have been there, then again, I can't help you if this is your viewpoint.
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It is also clear that most fans want them inducted. The hall of fame is supposed to belong to them, not to a few hundred sportswriters.
Evidence on this?
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I don't give a damn.

It is also clear that most fans want them inducted. The hall of fame is supposed to belong to them, not to a few hundred sportswriters.
I wonder if most fans want them included.
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Alnorth: if it's any consolation, Rany agrees with your viewpoint.

http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/1...-fame-steroids

The difference I see here is, these modern players didn't use PEDs to overcome injury during the season. They paid chemists and boutique drug specialist to craft PEDs that would help them bulk up in the off season, and be UNDETECTABLE by the testing methods at the time. In other words, it was all done to help their agents demand more money for each roided up player, based on their drug-inflated statistics.

Look at Barry Bonds Rookie Card. Doing push ups didn't make his hat size grow from a 6 to a 7 and 3/4.

The other thing that is not spoken of is, these players didn't roid up to help their teams. They roided up to help their marketability first and foremost. It was about grabbing as much money as possible, and cheating the system to do it. Guys like ARoid did nothing but chase money their entire career, and in the case of ARoid, it didn't help the teams he played for win squat.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. And I'll have to see some quantitative proof that "fans want these guys in the hall."

I'll bet it's 50-50 tops.
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