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Old 07-29-2014, 10:20 PM   #8011
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I'm going to see our Royals in Phoenix next week. If they play like this against an awful Dbacks team I'll attack Yost.
Bookmarked. We all expect you to go at Yost like you guys are on the Springer show if these limp dicks play out there like they did here tonight.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:30 PM   #8012
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that guy just made the exact point I made this thread that you tried to argue

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I was so embarrassed I went out and posted it.

Now, you should go ahead and read what it actually says.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:00 PM   #8013
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Bookmarked. We all expect you to go at Yost like you guys are on the Springer show if these limp dicks play out there like they did here tonight.
Lol these one run losses are devastating.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:38 PM   #8014
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:40 AM   #8015
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If GMDM stands pat...that's a huge head scratcher. Is his seat not getting warmer? You have to make a move here. Either get your big bat and say "Playoffs or Bust"...or deal Shields and say "2015 is the year". If he stands pat.....thats just a big 'fug you' to Royals fans.
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:51 AM   #8016
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lmao

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that guy just made the exact point I made this thread that you tried to argue

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Some comments from that page:

Yes, if you ignore the fact that Shields and Wade Davis are gone after this year (Davis too expensive to keep under existing contract), and that Tampa still has 5+ years of cheap control of Odorizzi & Shields, AND Montgomery (pitching so well in AAA that he canít be too far from a call up) & Leonard.

So imagine that Montgomery blows his arm out and never recovers & Leonard quits baseball to become a traveling musician. And Will Meyers only turns out to be an average player, and Odorizzi a mediocre back end starter, and the Rays only get 3 WAR a year between them. Thatís akin to KC sending Tampa Bay a check for $15M every year for the next 5 seasons.

And if Myers becomes a star and Odorizzi an average starter, & Montgomery a back end starter or decent reliever, the check should be closer to $30M a year.

So yea, KC took every penny of the value they got from this trade, crammed it into 2013 & 2014, and still barely got more value than Tampa did in those years, and still missed the playoffs, and cost themselves a very large amount of value over the next 5 years to do it.
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:51 AM   #8017
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And you forgot that KC spent $30M in extra payroll the last two years to get Shields/Davis, which could have been used on a decent free agent starter, and keep Odorizzi & Myers, and they would have been just as good, if not a playoff team (if the FA pitcher had been Anibel Sanchez who signed a back loaded deal with the Tigers that pays him less than $25M over those seasons)
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Yes, if you ignore the fact that Shields and Wade Davis are gone after this year (Davis too expensive to keep under existing contract), and that Tampa still has 5+ years of cheap control of Odorizzi & Shields, AND Montgomery (pitching so well in AAA that he canít be too far from a call up) & Leonard.

So imagine that Montgomery blows his arm out and never recovers & Leonard quits baseball to become a traveling musician. And Will Meyers only turns out to be an average player, and Odorizzi a mediocre back end starter, and the Rays only get 3 WAR a year between them. Thatís akin to KC sending Tampa Bay a check for $15M every year for the next 5 seasons.

And if Myers becomes a star and Odorizzi an average starter, & Montgomery a back end starter or decent reliever, the check should be closer to $30M a year.

So yea, KC took every penny of the value they got from this trade, crammed it into 2013 & 2014, and still barely got more value than Tampa did in those years, and still missed the playoffs, and cost themselves a very large amount of value over the next 5 years to do it.
So you're saying we won the trade?!?!
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And you forgot that KC spent $30M in extra payroll the last two years to get Shields/Davis, which could have been used on a decent free agent starter, and keep Odorizzi & Myers, and they would have been just as good, if not a playoff team (if the FA pitcher had been Anibel Sanchez who signed a back loaded deal with the Tigers that pays him less than $25M over those seasons)
You can literally go back and find posters arguing this exact same point when the trade happened.

We don't even need hindsight to see how flawed the approach was. Keeping the players and reallocating the dollars was always the approach that DM should have taken, but he's just too ****ing stupid (or narrow-minded) to consider the possibility.
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:57 AM   #8020
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You can literally go back and find posters arguing this exact same point when the trade happened.

We don't even need hindsight to see how flawed the approach was. Keeping the players and reallocating the dollars was always the approach that DM should have taken, but he's just too ****ing stupid (or narrow-minded) to consider the possibility.
You are right. Forgive me for using this thread as an outlet, my therapist said it would be good for me.

So assuming GMDM is fired in the offseason, who would be your leading candidate for GM?
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If GMDM stands pat...that's a huge head scratcher. Is his seat not getting warmer? You have to make a move here. Either get your big bat and say "Playoffs or Bust"...or deal Shields and say "2015 is the year". If he stands pat.....thats just a big 'fug you' to Royals fans.
It's actually probably better for the Royals long term if Moore stands pat and DOESN'T make a move.

1) He doesn't overpay for a player who might or might not give the Royals enough to make the playoffs this year. They're now 3.5 games out of the WC standings with tough trips upcoming.

2) It increases the likelihood that this is the end of the shitshow that is the Dayton Moore/Ned Yost era.

3) The Royals don't move out long-term value for dubious short-term gain. When the Shields/Davis trade was made, I compared it to Dayton Moore going all in with something like QUEEN-9, off suit. Making a "splash" trade now is akin to adding his car to the pot while behind before the river. (based on their monetary situation/rumors, the splash trade would have to feature the trading team eating a big portion of the contract, which means higher cost in prospects or young players)
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A competent GM would see that moving Shields/Holland for future pieces is the only thing to do that makes any sense. There are teams hungry for pitching looking to make a push and we could use some more cheap, club controlled talent stocked in the pond right now.
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You are right. Forgive me for using this thread as an outlet, my therapist said it would be good for me.

So assuming GMDM is fired in the offseason, who would be your leading candidate for GM?


Farhan Zaidi.

Odds of a geezer from Northwest Arkansas hiring him? I'd say they're probably about negative eleventy bajilliion.

Anyway, Zaidi is one of the hotter names around. Not sure how in-demand he would be, might be tough for KC to pull him if, say, Philadelphia's GM spot also opened up.
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Yes, if you ignore the fact that Shields and Wade Davis are gone after this year (Davis too expensive to keep under existing contract), and that Tampa still has 5+ years of cheap control of Odorizzi & Shields, AND Montgomery (pitching so well in AAA that he canít be too far from a call up) & Leonard.

So imagine that Montgomery blows his arm out and never recovers & Leonard quits baseball to become a traveling musician. And Will Meyers only turns out to be an average player, and Odorizzi a mediocre back end starter, and the Rays only get 3 WAR a year between them. Thatís akin to KC sending Tampa Bay a check for $15M every year for the next 5 seasons.

And if Myers becomes a star and Odorizzi an average starter, & Montgomery a back end starter or decent reliever, the check should be closer to $30M a year.

So yea, KC took every penny of the value they got from this trade, crammed it into 2013 & 2014, and still barely got more value than Tampa did in those years, and still missed the playoffs, and cost themselves a very large amount of value over the next 5 years to do it.
It's nearly impossible to discuss this topic rationally with Royals fans, who say things like "we barely got more value these two years" when Frangraphs shows its been a rout, ~10-4 WAR. We've clearly gotten the better of the deal in the short run and we can debate the long run. But if you can't even recognize facts about the present, then it's all pointless.
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I would like to point out how amused I am at the schizophrenic fan base we have here. Who is simultaneously blasting the Shields acquisition, but pining for us to do it again and pick up Marlon Byrd or whoever for prospects. That's some funny shit right here.
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