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Old 12-23-2013, 01:25 PM  
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Why all the man love for Bray?

I don't understand all the man love for this guy.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:38 PM   #136
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Really ****tard? Tom Brady is the go to answer when it comes to Quarterbacks making it.

Don't want to draft a QB in the 1st round? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick!

Hanging your hopes on that UDFA QB? Tom Brady was passed over by 31 other teams!
Still don't see a Bray=Brady post. Shitgurgler
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:40 PM   #137
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Finding guys who have come out of unlikely to have success as a starting QB in the NFL is kind of like finding 2-star recruits who went on to be successful college and NFL players.

It is POSSIBLE for the success to come, but the success RATE is much lower for an UDFA than for a QB drafted. Just like the success RATE for a 3rd round QB is lower than for a 1st round QB, 5th round even lower, 7th round even lower still.

With guys like Bray, you're literally picking a handful of guys out of THOUSANDS of players.

Compared to 1st round QBs, where you're picking out of around a hundred or fewer guys, total.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:40 PM   #138
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Do you follow SEC/college football?

If you did, you should be aware of a few things that had far more to do with Arkansas's terrible season than Jim Chaney.

1) They were terrible last year
2) They brought in a placeholder coach last year, John L Smith, (which failed, but is beside the point) and had a lost year in recruiting outside of the RB position.
3) Bobby Petrino never was a top-notch recruiter. His college teams typically have cratered following his exodus from them. The Arkansas roster was low on high level talent, especially on the defensive side of the football. And most of its offensive talent left after 2012.
Trying to discredit Bray with the "Chaney is a god and a highly respected OC and made Bray look better than he is" argument is ****ing ridiculous.

Chaney's arrow is pointing down right now weather you like it or not.

Bray's arm strength alone has got him on an NFL roster and if we can develop the rest of his game as he matures there is a chance he turns out to be better than every QB drafted this year. He is a project and everyone knows it.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:43 PM   #139
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Citing Drew Brees as a multiple time Pro Bowl level qb, when he signed with the Saints, is laughable.

In 2004, he was Matt Cassell. He threw 27 tds, and 7 ints, but averaged 210 yards per game.

Now, I will admit that he was very good in 2005, but, really, he didn't become pro bowl worthy, until he got to the dome with Sean Payton.

And here is the problem with arguing about the past. It is just that, the past.

Drew Brees, wasn't Drew Brees until he got down to New Orleans.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:48 PM   #140
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Citing Drew Brees as a multiple time Pro Bowl level qb, when he signed with the Saints, is laughable.

In 2004, he was Matt Cassell. He threw 27 tds, and 7 ints, but averaged 210 yards per game.

Now, I will admit that he was very good in 2005, but, really, he didn't become pro bowl worthy, until he got to the dome with Sean Payton.

And here is the problem with arguing about the past. It is just that, the past.

Drew Brees, wasn't Drew Brees until he got down to New Orleans.
Are you serious?

Drew Brees was completing 65% of his passes for nearly 8 ypa, thats on par with his first few years in NO. Matt Cassel was completing 58% of his passes for 6.9 ypa.

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Old 12-24-2013, 12:51 PM   #141
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Trying to discredit Bray with the "Chaney is a god and a highly respected OC and made Bray look better than he is" argument is ****ing ridiculous.

Chaney's arrow is pointing down right now weather you like it or not.

Bray's arm strength alone has got him on an NFL roster and if we can develop the rest of his game as he matures there is a chance he turns out to be better than every QB drafted this year. He is a project and everyone knows it.
I never said Chaney made Bray look better than he is.

I said Chaney is a highly respected offensive coordinator who is very good at his job and who built a good offense for Bray to work within, in response to claims that Bray's college coaching was insufficient or shitty.

You want to talk about ****ing ridiculous? Saying Jim Chaney is not a good offensive coordinator qualifies. Saying Bray's development in college was stunted because he didn't have good coaching (all of which is done by his OC and QB coach, Darin Hinshaw, who ALSO is a good coach and offensive mind) is ****ing ridiculous.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:55 PM   #142
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Are you serious?

Drew Brees was completing 65% of his passes for nearly 8 ypa. Matt Cassel was completing 58% of his passes for 6.9 ypa.

GTFO
Really? You sure you want to do this JD?

You claim this as a great season, but it is almost IDENTICAL to the season Alex Smith was on pace for last year, and yet you claim Alex Smith sucks.

How is that possible?

His VERY FIRST SEASON in New Orleans, he threw for 1300 more yards than he did in that 2004 season. Come on JD.

I like Drew Brees as much as the next guy.

But, he was a completely different guy all the way around in New Orleans, with less talent than he had in San Diego IMO.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:58 PM   #143
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Really? You sure you want to do this JD?

You claim this as a great season, but it is almost IDENTICAL to the season Alex Smith was on pace for last year, and yet you claim Alex Smith sucks.

How is that possible?

His VERY FIRST SEASON in New Orleans, he threw for 1300 more yards than he did in that 2004 season. Come on JD.

I like Drew Brees as much as the next guy.

But, he was a completely different guy all the way around in New Orleans, with less talent than he had in San Diego IMO.

Drew Brees averaged 8 more passes a game in NO you dumb ****.

Are you stupid?

He's throwing for the same average and completion and throws for 1300 more yards and you can't figure out why?
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:11 PM   #144
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I never said Chaney made Bray look better than he is.

I said Chaney is a highly respected offensive coordinator who is very good at his job and who built a good offense for Bray to work within, in response to claims that Bray's college coaching was insufficient or shitty.

You want to talk about ****ing ridiculous? Saying Jim Chaney is not a good offensive coordinator qualifies. Saying Bray's development in college was stunted because he didn't have good coaching (all of which is done by his OC and QB coach, Darin Hinshaw, who ALSO is a good coach and offensive mind) is ****ing ridiculous.
We'll just have to disagree on Chaney because I personally think he is overrated as hell and you like him. Got it.

Bray's development in college was stunted mainly because of his own immaturity. I like Bray because he has a cannon and an incredible upside. If Reid thinks he is worth developing then I am anxious to witness his growth. You can dismiss the possibilities because he went undrafted etc. but I like the way we have handled him so far.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:21 PM   #145
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First of all, Reid and co. didn't just sign this guy for shits and giggles, they could've picked up some vet for peanuts just as easily, but they didn't... its pretty clear they saw some kind of potential they wanted to try and tap into and polish, pretty sure they aren't in the business of just "grabbing any old jerkoff to fill a useless roster spot"

Do they see him, should WE see him as the QBOTF at this point? No, but is it "freakin dumb" to have a little hope that he can eventually be coached up and into a viable candidate? Hell no, like i said, this regime isn't in the business of just doing something to do it, they obviously like something about the guy.

Anyone saying HE'S THE GUY right now is wrong, anyone saying HE'LL NEVER BE THE GUY is wrong, period... but one thing is for sure, he was brought in for a reason.

Some of us are glass half full types, others half empty and that's fine... but just saying NOPE FORGET IT NEVER EVER GONNA WORK EVER is just trying to be a Captain Superior poster.

Dorsey and Reid obviously liked the raw potential enough to give him a shot and for right now that's good enough for me and others.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:23 PM   #146
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:29 PM   #147
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Finding guys who have come out of unlikely to have success as a starting QB in the NFL is kind of like finding 2-star recruits who went on to be successful college and NFL players.

It is POSSIBLE for the success to come, but the success RATE is much lower for an UDFA than for a QB drafted. Just like the success RATE for a 3rd round QB is lower than for a 1st round QB, 5th round even lower, 7th round even lower still.

With guys like Bray, you're literally picking a handful of guys out of THOUSANDS of players.

Compared to 1st round QBs, where you're picking out of around a hundred or fewer guys, total.
is that true even say in the last 5 years?

Im asking, not acting like I know.

It seems like it would be quite closer in percentage in recent history.
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We'll just have to disagree on Chaney because I personally think he is overrated as hell and you like him. Got it.

Bray's development in college was stunted mainly because of his own immaturity. I like Bray because he has a cannon and an incredible upside. If Reid thinks he is worth developing then I am anxious to witness his growth. You can dismiss the possibilities because he went undrafted etc. but I like the way we have handled him so far.
Fair enough.

It's not a "Like" issue, though. He was a candidate for the Missouri job in the offseason, so I did quite a bit of research on him. My opinion of his abilities as an OC is based on that.

Anyway, I'm not DISMISSING the possibility Bray develops into a good QB. He's in the best spot he could be (barring getting drafted and having a little more roster security), working with a coach who is good at developing QBs. I'm just saying the odds of a guy with enough warts to go undrafted becoming a good NFL starting QB are really, really slim (based on historical sample size and the numbers game), so we should dial back some of the rhetoric.

And ESPECIALLY not be content with Bray as our only option for developing a QB moving forward...
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