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Old 12-23-2013, 12:25 PM  
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Why all the man love for Bray?

I don't understand all the man love for this guy.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:49 AM   #76
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A friend of mine works for Brays father. Word is, the Organization also has man love for him.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:50 AM   #77
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For me, its all about the raw measureables... 6'6 230-240 pounds and bona-fide howitzer arm, you cant teach any of those things.

He's like the Dontari Poe of QB's, off the charts measureables, but his college teams were never quite world beaters and (unlike Poe) he had some very serious character concerns, which is why he went undrafted.

But he did have some pretty nice college accomplishments... his junior year he threw 34td/12int, broke Mannings single game yardage record with 530, 11th best SEC yardage total in history, all in all some pretty damn good stuff.

If Reid can coach this guy up, we'll have the prototype rocket launcher everyone is clamoring for.
Plus I hear he's a cocky little asshole. Which I guess is better than a whimpering little pussy like Croyle.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:02 AM   #78
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A friend of mine works for Brays father. Word is, the Organization also has man love for him.
Because they are going to be honest and tell him he was the cheapest option to fill the unnecessary roster spot?
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:03 AM   #79
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Because they are going to be honest and tell him he was the cheapest option to fill the unnecessary roster spot?
Or, because...

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Old 12-24-2013, 08:17 AM   #80
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Just because a True Fan/Homer says it doesn't mean it's true.



This is why people need to pump the brakes on Bray. There are reasons to be excited about Bray, but he's an EXTREME long-shot to ever be a productive NFL starter.

The size and arm strength are NFL-starter level. Every other aspect of his game - reading defenses, making decisions, throwing the ball consistently and with accuracy, avoiding turnovers, leadership - has to improve from somewhere between "a decent, but coachable, amount" (accuracy/mechanics/consistentcy) to "drastically" (reading defenses, making decisions) to "astronomically" (leadership).
This. I was going to post the same thing. For example, at Tennessee he basically ran a single read offense. Playing QB at an elite level is a whole lot more about the mental aspects than the physical ones (look at Joe Montana) and Bray isn't much above a high school player in that regard. He was basically the same player each of the 3 years at Tennessee. I have doubts about how coachable he even is.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:20 AM   #81
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But he does have the best tattoo in the NFL!
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:33 AM   #82
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What are the odds of an undrafted free agent becoming the saviour at QB?. Especially one that is known to make bad decisions.
Brady was a 6th round pick and JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, David Klinger, Matt Leinert, and Ryan Leaf were all 1st rounders.
You put way way way too much stock in pro scouts' opinions.
Bray was signed at the age of 21 after 3 college seasons with horrid coaching. He turns 22 on Friday. He now has a fiance. There's a strong possibility that he could have matured a bit.
He has an elite arm and ability to deliver a good ball with just the arm. Contrast to David Carr who some want that can't deliver a pass at all with pressure around him(see Bowl game) . If he can't step into his throw, he's done. But his footwork is better. Lol
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:56 AM   #83
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Brady was a 6th round pick and JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, David Klinger, Matt Leinert, and Ryan Leaf were all 1st rounders.
You put way way way too much stock in pro scouts' opinions.
Bray was signed at the age of 21 after 3 college seasons with horrid coaching. He turns 22 on Friday. He now has a fiance. There's a strong possibility that he could have matured a bit.
He has an elite arm and ability to deliver a good ball with just the arm. Contrast to David Carr who some want that can't deliver a pass at all with pressure around him(see Bowl game) . If he can't step into his throw, he's done. But his footwork is better. Lol
You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:34 AM   #84
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You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.
How about Kurt Warner or Warren Moon then? Boom
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How about Kurt Warner or Warren Moon then? Boom
Or that 3rd rounder Joe Montana.
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You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.
Do you realize Bray was held back by inferior coaching? Bray succeeded despite a horrible coaching staff. His phone started ringing off the hook the second the draft was over. Miami and Kc both were bidding for him. He was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick by most all draft "experts". Bray was knocked hard for coming out after his true junior year and Gruden gave him a hard time about it in a horrible interview (Bray's Fault) that destroyed his stock. With Tennessee running the read option under new coach Butch Jones and having a considerable lack of talent for an SEC team, his decision to bail was understandable. However at draft time it was still being viewed as a mistake.
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Undrafted free agent doesnt mean he has undrafted free agent talent, many had him going in the first couple of rounds in the draft. I saw mocks with him going in the first round, so obviously he has talent.
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How about Kurt Warner or Warren Moon then? Boom
Warner: Lightning strike (not quite as big as Brady, as Brady is in the running for best ever, while Warner was merely very good-great for a little less than a decade).

Moon: Racism at play.

Overall, there are FAR more successful QBs who have been first-round picks than successful QBs selected/acquired any other way.

The odds still aren't great or better than 50 percent (why you have the Akili Smiths and David Klinglers and etc), but it gives you your best odds of finding a franchise guy and best odds of winning a Super Bowl.

A look at the winning QBs in recent Super Bowl history (past 20 years):

Flacco
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees (1st pick of Round 2)
Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady
Brad Johnson
Brady
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Elway
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Favre (early second round pick, 33rd overall)
Aikman
Young (weird exception, in that he signed huge deal with USFL out of college. He was the first pick in the USFL expansion draft in 1985 and likely would have been in consideration for first overall in the 1984 draft).

That's 5 (6 if you want to count Young) exceptions in 20 years. With two of those being early 2nd round picks.

Odds slide overwhelmingly towards having a 1st round QB.
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Warner: Lightning strike (not quite as big as Brady, as Brady is in the running for best ever, while Warner was merely very good-great for a little less than a decade).

Moon: Racism at play.

Overall, there are FAR more successful QBs who have been first-round picks than successful QBs selected/acquired any other way.

The odds still aren't great or better than 50 percent (why you have the Akili Smiths and David Klinglers and etc), but it gives you your best odds of finding a franchise guy and best odds of winning a Super Bowl.

A look at the winning QBs in recent Super Bowl history (past 20 years):

Flacco
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees (1st pick of Round 2)
Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady
Brad Johnson
Brady
Trent Dilfer
Warner
Elway
Elway
Favre (early second round pick, 33rd overall)
Aikman
Young (weird exception, in that he signed huge deal with USFL out of college. He was the first pick in the USFL expansion draft in 1985 and likely would have been in consideration for first overall in the 1984 draft).

That's 5 (6 if you want to count Young) exceptions in 20 years. With two of those being early 2nd round picks.

Odds slide overwhelmingly towards having a 1st round QB.
So I guess Reid should just ignore what he's seen at practice and cut Bray's ass because the CP experts say there's no chance.
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And Alex Smith was #1 overall and he's a poster boy for mediocrity.
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