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Old 12-23-2013, 03:49 PM  
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Question for conservatives on this forum

Do you like the new pope?

And/or

What do you think of the new pope?

I would go into Pitt Gorilla's thread and look, but this is an easier way to satisfy my curiosity in answer to the question.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:11 PM   #16
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This is true...but they've also been heavily involved in communist movements too. Castro was one, or at least trained by one. They at least lean left. They've really changed. There is a famous former Jesuit who left the order for these reasons.
For ****s sake can't you let it go?
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:27 AM   #17
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For ****s sake can't you let it go?

No, because that's the truth about the Jesuits.

Can you just deal with the truth, RINO?
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:06 AM   #18
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I'm not Catholic, very Protestant (Reformed tradition).

I don't care about him. The media loves him because he's saying things the left can latch on to, but I think (a) they aren't reading the full context of what he's saying, and he's not the liberal pope they are hoping, and (b) the Catholic church is largely becoming irrelevant in the first world today and I think it lacks a lot of political influence anymore. The papacy is probably less influential on the world stage today than it has ever been in history.

Where are you getting this? Catholicism is still huge in the first world, why would you argue otherwise? It's 25% of the USA, and I'm pretty certain it's large in Europe too.
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Old 12-24-2013, 04:57 PM   #19
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Where are you getting this? Catholicism is still huge in the first world, why would you argue otherwise? It's 25% of the USA, and I'm pretty certain it's large in Europe too.
You sir would be correct. That said one of the issues the church, any church faces, is maintaining involvement. Keeping the members engaged in the workings of the church is vitally important. Tonight our church will burst at the seams from the outpouring of Holiday Methodists. But we welcome and embrace them anyway. Merry Christmas !
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Old 12-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #20
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No, he's a communist.
This

and sadly most of them are now.

BUT...The Pope is nothing more than a figure head to most people. Personally doesn't effect anything I do in life whatsoever. Our govt officials however...that's a different tale.
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Old 12-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #21
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...he will lead many to destruction.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:36 PM   #22
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This is true...but they've also been heavily involved in communist movements too. Castro was one, or at least trained by one. They at least lean left. They've really changed. There is a famous former Jesuit who left the order for these reasons.
Commies are everywhere!
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:32 PM   #23
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I think he's good for the Church. The reason I left Catholisism in college is because I felt guilty every mass. I felt worshiping God should be exciting, fun and rejuvenating not an hour full of guilt. I claim non denominational Christian now and love going to church as it's more of a celebration.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:34 PM   #24
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I think he's good for the Church. The reason I left Catholisism in college is because I felt guilty every mass. I felt worshiping God should be exciting, fun and rejuvenating not an hour full of guilt. I claim non denominational Christian now and love going to church as it's more of a celebration.
Good for you. Merry Christmas!!
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:39 AM   #25
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...he will lead many to destruction.
And why is that?
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:43 AM   #26
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Why do I have a feeling most of the respondents loath Paul VI, too.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:44 AM   #27
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Question for conservatives on this forum

He feels like a rebound pope. The last one was kind of a one night stand.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:14 AM   #28
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And why is that?
i think this is the reference: "For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it"
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:02 AM   #29
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He seems to be doing a very good job posing for photographs. That's a lot more important than most will acknowledge but I offer up credit where credit is due.
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:30 AM   #30
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I don't qualify as a typical "conservative" but I like the pope. But remember it is hard to judge a pope in general but even harder to judge one who is brand new.

The funny thing about pope's is how the media portray them. The ACTUAL differences in beliefs between this pope and the last two is infinitesimally small. The media will instead latch on to a particular pope's "style" and extrapolate a bunch of nonsense from there.

So back to my original point... it is almost impossible to "judge" a pope from this distance and through our filtered media.
I disagree. he is entirely different from other Popes. The last 2 popes were old school popes that were losing mass audiences because their views were so traditional. The Vatican too. Pope Benedict was just a complete disaster. He was the Scott Pioli of religion. Seriously.

The world is changing. Younger people have a much more morally liberal view of religion. It's not that young people condone things like abortion and homosexuality, but we find it embarrassing that a religion would treat these groups with such disgust and hatred. And then use religion as an excuse to persecute these people. Francis' views on how to treat these groups of people is extremely radical, and the last 2 Popes very clearly towed a traditional church line. I also think Francis has been more embracing of other religions. Finally, it takes some balls to stand up to the Vatican the way he did, whereas Benedict was so inept that he let the whole internal politics of the place spiral out of control.

The media does eat him up, but that's because they've kind of been longing for this kind of Pope for a long time. So yeah, I like the new Pope. I think he is finally a guy who can bring Catholicism into the 21st century. The media eats him up because he gets it. Benedict's stern values reminds me of the stodgy religious right that are even gaining irrelevance in conservative circles. There just seems to be so much disdain, anger, and hate toward people, which to me, just doesn't make sense in a religious context.
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