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Old 12-23-2013, 02:49 PM  
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Question for conservatives on this forum

Do you like the new pope?

And/or

What do you think of the new pope?

I would go into Pitt Gorilla's thread and look, but this is an easier way to satisfy my curiosity in answer to the question.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:50 PM   #46
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Pope Francis said Tuesday in his first apostolic exhortation that no matter how progressive-minded the world turns, the Catholic Church can never compromise on its “no abortion” rule — it’s a matter of human dignity.

“I want to be completely honest in this regard,” he said, Catholic News Service reported. “This is not something subject to alleged reforms or ‘modernizations.’ It is not ‘progressive’ to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life.”...

He wrote: “This defense of unborn life is closely linked to the defense of each and every other human right. It involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development. Human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems. Once this conviction disappears, so do solid and lasting foundations for the defense of human rights, which would always be subject to the passing whims of the powers that be.”


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...essive-democr/
Well, yeah, that absolutely should be the Church's take. This fits very much with everything this Pope has said and done. Are we to be surprised?
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:52 PM   #47
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He seems less shitty than the last Pope.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:54 PM   #48
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Well, yeah, that absolutely should be the Church's take. This fits very much with everything this Pope has said and done. Are we to be surprised?
Um, I think my point went over your head. It's in response to some comments is all. One in particular just before that.
So "we" being surprised...I don't speak for.

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Old 12-25-2013, 08:17 PM   #49
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Commies are everywhere!
Wonder what its like living in a constant state of fear.
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:19 PM   #50
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You seem to be ignoring the purpose of the Church. It isn't to make friends with Atheists and Muslims. While the church should be respectful of others it can't really give up its beliefs to satisfy those who don't share those beliefs.


A parallel would be geopolitics. The USA shouldn't go out of its way to bother or disrupt other nations. Clearly. But when it's interests are at stake they must follow their interests. There are some regimes we cannot recognize, and cannot work with right?
You do know the bible is pretty clear on welcoming foreigners and there was the parable about the good Samaritan, right? I mean, that is very famous one.
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:23 PM   #51
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A lot of posts in this thread were the reason for this quote:

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.”

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Old 12-25-2013, 09:07 PM   #52
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Why are you answering, when you're not a conservative? Just curious.

FYI, the RCC is not going to change any of it's dogmas or doctrines just to be popular in the 21st century. IMO the media eats him up because he's selling a Progressive or at least Progressive-sounding message.
Jfc

And I mean that in the most Catholic way possible.

Yeah, the idiots on the left and right that are eating this new Pope up are doing it because of the media
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:19 PM   #53
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It must be a good feeling to be able to speak for so many. Religion is a study of the ages yet you are blessed with such wisdom. Many go to church regularly, read, attend bible study and Sunday school their entire life yet you have found answers so easily. I envy you.
Well, point me to the Catholic/Christian church that says, "Don't believe in Jesus as lord and savior? That's cool, you'll go to heaven anyway."
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:44 PM   #54
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Well, point me to the Catholic/Christian church that says, "Don't believe in Jesus as lord and savior? That's cool, you'll go to heaven anyway."
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

In the end cosmo it really comes down to who you think Jesus really is. Lunatic, Liar or the true Savior. Evidence doesn't support a lunatic or liar. But it sure does point to a Savior
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:49 PM   #55
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John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

In the end cosmo it really comes down to who you think Jesus really is. Lunatic, Liar or the true Savior. Evidence doesn't support a lunatic or liar. But it sure does point to a Savior
You forgot prophet and wise man.
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even they went through him
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Well, point me to the Catholic/Christian church that says, "Don't believe in Jesus as lord and savior? That's cool, you'll go to heaven anyway."
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:28 PM   #58
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Well, point me to the Catholic/Christian church that says, "Don't believe in Jesus as lord and savior? That's cool, you'll go to heaven anyway."
I was complimenting you on your understanding of faith. My assumption is that people who hope to go to heaven are believers. Those who are not believers probably don't believe in heaven or life everlasting. What would you say? You seem quite an educated person regarding religion.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:32 PM   #59
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John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

In the end cosmo it really comes down to who you think Jesus really is. Lunatic, Liar or the true Savior. Evidence doesn't support a lunatic or liar. But it sure does point to a Savior
There is no evidence for Jesus existence at all. He has as much evidence as Mithras, Zeus, Wodin, and Osiris.
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There is no evidence for Jesus existence at all. He has as much evidence as Mithras, Zeus, Wodin, and Osiris.
Those other guys must have hired shitty PR firms.
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