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Old 12-23-2013, 02:49 PM  
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Question for conservatives on this forum

Do you like the new pope?

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What do you think of the new pope?

I would go into Pitt Gorilla's thread and look, but this is an easier way to satisfy my curiosity in answer to the question.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:23 AM   #76
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Despite HCF's flattery of my knowledge, which I'm sure is sincere , I've always been a little unclear on this. I never believed in his divinity, but as a guy walking around 2000 years ago? I guess I assumed the guy was real.

Other than the Bible itself, what is the evidence? Do writings about him at the time of his birth and during his life exist? Have they been authenticated? Surely something had to have been written during his lifetime, as he seemed to be in the news a lot.

You may look here. http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:05 AM   #77
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You do know the bible is pretty clear on welcoming foreigners and there was the parable about the good Samaritan, right? I mean, that is very famous one.
The Bible is most certainly not clear on "welcoming foreigners". Jehovah commanded Israel to slaughter foreigners on dozens of occasions and strictly enforced a "no false Idols" law anytime Israel welcomed another religion.


Yes, the Good Samaritan story was about helping your neighbor. Of course, the Samaritan would be considered the foreigner in this parable who helped out the Jew. So are you arguing that Jesus wants foreigners to start helping his Church? Great! Hopefully Muslims and Atheists will become as Samaritans finally.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:19 AM   #78
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The Bible is most certainly not clear on "welcoming foreigners". Jehovah commanded Israel to slaughter foreigners on dozens of occasions and strictly enforced a "no false Idols" law anytime Israel welcomed another religion.


Yes, the Good Samaritan story was about helping your neighbor. Of course, the Samaritan would be considered the foreigner in this parable who helped out the Jew. So are you arguing that Jesus wants foreigners to start helping his Church? Great! Hopefully Muslims and Atheists will become as Samaritans finally.
It's good to see your non-knowledge of parables extending to the Good Samaritan.

The parable was powerful because the Samaritan helped (at a time when Samaritans and Jews disliked each other), where the priest walked by, the levite walked by. Go read the parable, and think about who is acting the way God wants.

And here are 14 bible verses on welcoming strangers.

Deuteronomy 10: 19 You shall love the stranger, for you were once strangers in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Luke 10:27 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.

Matt. 5:43-44 You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.

Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.”

3 John 1:5 Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the truth.

Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.

Collossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

Matt. 25:40 Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:36 AM   #79
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So, in essence, he's leading people to destruction because he isn't vociferously judgmental of other religions and he doesn't use religion as a bludgeon of hate, and that's why he's going to lead people to destruction?

Man, when can I go to your church service? Sounds about as welcoming as an auto-da-fe.
how silly of me to think you actually wanted an answer.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:38 AM   #80
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how silly of me to think you actually wanted an answer.
It's a hard saying but who can hear it?
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Old 12-26-2013, 12:06 PM   #81
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It's good to see your non-knowledge of parables extending to the Good Samaritan.

The parable was powerful because the Samaritan helped (at a time when Samaritans and Jews disliked each other), where the priest walked by, the levite walked by. Go read the parable, and think about who is acting the way God wants.

And here are 14 bible verses on welcoming strangers.

Deuteronomy 10: 19 You shall love the stranger, for you were once strangers in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Luke 10:27 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.

Matt. 5:43-44 You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.

Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.”

3 John 1:5 Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the truth.

Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.

Collossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

Matt. 25:40 Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.

Jesus was taking a slap at Jews by using a parable where they looked terrible and their enemy, the dirty Samaritan, was the hero. You trying to make that into an argument for loving Muslims is really clumsy.


I didn't see any of your citations of God commanding foreigners be murdered. I can wait until you google those verses. I might even be able to help you if you're having trouble
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:01 PM   #82
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I can wait until you google those verses.
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:44 PM   #83
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The Bible is most certainly not clear on "welcoming foreigners". Jehovah commanded Israel to slaughter foreigners on dozens of occasions and strictly enforced a "no false Idols" law anytime Israel welcomed another religion.


Yes, the Good Samaritan story was about helping your neighbor. Of course, the Samaritan would be considered the foreigner in this parable who helped out the Jew. So are you arguing that Jesus wants foreigners to start helping his Church? Great! Hopefully Muslims and Atheists will become as Samaritans finally.
Christianity believes in the New Testament. Most of the points you are making come from the Old Testament. I don't agree with iguana much, but the New Testament places much more emphasis on the notion of loving thy neighbor and that he who is without sim cast the first stone. Given that the pope leads a Christian faith based off the New Testament, his preaching is in line with the New Testament.
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If your goal is to turn as many as possible away from Christianity, you appear to be doing a pretty solid job.
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If your goal is to turn as many as possible away from Christianity, you appear to be doing a pretty solid job.
If the truth turns people away then so be it...

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If your goal is to turn as many as possible away from Christianity, you appear to be doing a pretty solid job.
Well, so isn't the peanut gallery for that matter.
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Christianity believes in the New Testament. Most of the points you are making come from the Old Testament. I don't agree with iguana much, but the New Testament places much more emphasis on the notion of loving thy neighbor and that he who is without sim cast the first stone. Given that the pope leads a Christian faith based off the New Testament, his preaching is in line with the New Testament.
Nope. In Catholicism, at least, believes in both the New and Old Testament. The New Testament is a fulfillment of the old. The Pope is head of the Catholic religion.
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Well, so isn't the peanut gallery for that matter.
I have no idea what that means.
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If your goal is to turn as many as possible away from Christianity, you appear to be doing a pretty solid job.
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