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Old 12-23-2013, 02:49 PM  
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Question for conservatives on this forum

Do you like the new pope?

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What do you think of the new pope?

I would go into Pitt Gorilla's thread and look, but this is an easier way to satisfy my curiosity in answer to the question.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:15 PM   #121
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I don't know where you were seeing a message of hate from previous Popes. You may not have seen as much outreach, but hate? Come on.
I think that previous Popes' stern stances on homosexuality and abortion did not appropriately address how you are supposed to treat those people. Pope John Paul II was very outspoken, for example, about homosexuality. While he did not show hate himself, he had the opportunity to condemn the practice but discourage hateful persecution. He didn't do that.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:17 PM   #122
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So I don't understand people who claim to believe in both testaments, yet show hatred to their fellow man. That to me is reading one testament and ignoring the other.
The old saying is: scripture is like a wheelbarrow. Can't load up on only one side, law or gospel. Have to balance them. I like that concept.

I don't think Pope Francis or any Christian for that matter should show anything but friendliness and respect to non-Christians. But there will come a time where you have to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. You cannot be neutral forever. Ask the Church if they regret neutrality during the 1930s in Europe.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:25 PM   #123
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stop putting words in my mouth..i said man can't redeem HIMSELF. man is ONLY redeemed through Christ's death on the cross.

the OT over and over again is a testament of CHRIST..He is the last Adam..ever wonder why Mary thought He was the Gardener after His ressurection?

you said the OT is not absolute truth... that is a COMPLETE AND UTTER LIE.
The OT can't be viewed without the context of the NT, and vice versa. At least if you're a christian. You can't just read the OT and believe that you have the right to persecute others because the NT is very clear about how to deal with our fellow man. Also, modern times presupposes that Christ redeemed man. Man can be redeemed in the Catholic faith through pennance and confession.

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oh and can it about judgement, you spent HOURS, if not DAYS condemning and judging George Zimmerman...your mantra of don't judge ushers in ANTI CHRIST...you concentrate on the Lamb of God, meanwhile the Lion of Judah's return is CLOSE...move on from the milk to the meat.

JUDGEMENT is coming. judgement is a discernment...without judgement and the Law, man's sin is irrelevant.
Fair point. I am not even close to a perfect Catholic (and frankly, I really don't care if I'm not). But neither are a lot of people that might call me out on it. Judging to the point of genuine hate is not what the bible preaches, and it's the point the Pope brings up recently.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:00 PM   #124
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[quote=chiefzilla1501;10313286]Also, modern times presupposes that Christ redeemed man. Man can be redeemed in the Catholic faith through pennance and confession.


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Incorrect. a corrupt man in a confessional cannot forgive your sins anymore than saying Hail Marys (false idol)..your works and my works are as filthy rags to the Lord...only faith in Jesus can bring redemption and salvation.,, only by confessing your sins to the LORD can bring forgiveness

It is blasphemous for a man to sit on a throne, have people call him holy father, have people kiss his ring and call himself the Vicar of Christ..that IS Anti Christ.. exactly why there is a Pope..because no one,including Satan, that knows the day or hour (not season) when Christ will returm.

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Old 12-27-2013, 06:07 PM   #125
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Catechism of the Catholic Church

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p1s1c2a3.htm

The Old Testament

121 The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value,92 for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

122 Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men."93 "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional,"94 the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God's saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."95

123 Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).
You actually care about what the Cathecism says now?



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Old 12-27-2013, 06:08 PM   #126
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Are you talking about the same dude who said he came to fulfill the OT not overturn it? The same guy who said he was only sent to save Jews, who called Gentiles "dogs"? Who beat up money changers in a temple with a whip? Who said he came not for peace but with a sword? Who said he would turn brother against brother?


You're right there is someone on here ignoring his words. But that person is you.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:23 PM   #127
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I was referring to you calling me out for your hilarious comment that businesses don't value general managers and employees with cross functional expertise.
Jesus has cross functional expertise.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:09 PM   #128
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I think that previous Popes' stern stances on homosexuality and abortion did not appropriately address how you are supposed to treat those people. Pope John Paul II was very outspoken, for example, about homosexuality. While he did not show hate himself, he had the opportunity to condemn the practice but discourage hateful persecution. He didn't do that.
Of course not. Why would he when one in four priests are gay themselves. Most of all, what persecution is going on toward homosexuals in the west...on such a wide scale that a Pope needs to address it?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:22 PM   #129
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I was referring to you calling me out for your hilarious comment that businesses don't value general managers and employees with cross functional expertise.
I just went back and looked at those two lines again...it could be read as the "but" referring to this discussion. So you were not clear.


Just a FYI, and not to hijack this thread: I did respond to your last post where on "my" point about division of labor aka specialization being more efficient but the log in fell out, as I was not on my computer and the post disappeared. I did parse your response, which was a tangent to my point. I parsed it line by line--showing that you had a completely different idea as to what I was referring to. I gave specific examples. After the log in fell out I didn't feel like re-writing it. Essentially, though, you completely misunderstood what I meant. Since you had difficulty grasping the point...a GIANT WHOOSH moment, I didn't bother to re-type it and just left it.

BTW People such as engineers, just as an example, going into management within their field of expertise was not what I meant--obviously. A graphic designer becoming a creative director as opposed to becoming the company accountant is another ball of wax though.

So my dear, let me know when you call for the nurse to perform your major surgery under your preference for cross-function expertise. Me thinks you are hilariously misinformed.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:47 PM   #130
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Oh and Chiefzilla, Harvard Business Review and this Professor of Management at the MIT Sloan School of Management disagrees with you on division of labor not being more efficient and productive. I think they'd consider you hilariously misinformed. In fact they call "hyper-specialization" the "big idea."

http://hbr.org/2011/07/the-big-idea-...pecialization/

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Old 12-29-2013, 10:00 PM   #131
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The OT can't be viewed without the context of the NT, and vice versa. At least if you're a christian. You can't just read the OT and believe that you have the right to persecute others because the NT is very clear about how to deal with our fellow man. Also, modern times presupposes that Christ redeemed man. Man can be redeemed in the Catholic faith through pennance and confession.


Fair point. I am not even close to a perfect Catholic (and frankly, I really don't care if I'm not). But neither are a lot of people that might call me out on it. Judging to the point of genuine hate is not what the bible preaches, and it's the point the Pope brings up recently.
Its Catholic's like you that feed the same misconceptions about Catholicism that have been going on since the protestant revolution, the same misconceptions and misinformation that Stevie has been posting.

I would rather appreciate it that you just didn't call yourself Catholic at all.


and to Stevie -
I see your posts against the pope, I know you mean well but in another forum /time /place I wish I could discuss these seriously with you. You are more Catholic than you might even realize.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:38 PM   #132
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:56 PM   #133
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Its Catholic's like you that feed the same misconceptions about Catholicism that have been going on since the protestant revolution, the same misconceptions and misinformation that Stevie has been posting.

I would rather appreciate it that you just didn't call yourself Catholic at all.


and to Stevie -
I see your posts against the pope, I know you mean well but in another forum /time /place I wish I could discuss these seriously with you. You are more Catholic than you might even realize.
They are not misconceptions. They are foundations of the New Testament and the preachings of Jesus. His teachings are extremely clear about how we are to act toward our fellow man. They are messages of forgiveness and mercy. It is possible to be judgmental without showing hate or spite or resentment.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:08 PM   #134
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Oh and Chiefzilla, Harvard Business Review and this Professor of Management at the MIT Sloan School of Management disagrees with you on division of labor not being more efficient and productive. I think they'd consider you hilariously misinformed. In fact they call "hyper-specialization" the "big idea."

http://hbr.org/2011/07/the-big-idea-...pecialization/

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I don't want to get into a thread swerve. It's an interesting debate and there's plenty of counter-arguments. But your points are taken -- I just disagree and there are plenty that disagree as well.
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They are not misconceptions. They are foundations of the New Testament and the preachings of Jesus. His teachings are extremely clear about how we are to act toward our fellow man. They are messages of forgiveness and mercy. It is possible to be judgmental without showing hate or spite or resentment.
That is not what you're misrepresenting - you have completely butchered the Sacrament of Penance
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