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Old 12-24-2013, 09:38 AM  
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Interesting story and I am not sure what the right answer is though I tend to side with the wishes of the person over the state. I don't know...

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Erick Munoz wants to see his wife's wish fulfilled this holiday season, but it's one that carries ethical and legal challenges: To be taken off of life support. Marlise Munoz, 33, is in serious condition in the intensive care unit at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, Texas, hospital officials said.

She is unconscious and on a ventilator, her husband told CNN affiliate WFAA, but she wouldn't have wanted her life sustained by a machine.
"We talked about it. We're both paramedics," he told WFAA. "We've seen things out in the field. We both knew that we both didn't want to be on life support."

Complicating an already difficult situation is that Munoz is also pregnant, about 18 weeks along, WFAA reported. Texas state law prohibits withdrawing or withholding life-sustaining treatment from a pregnant patient, regardless of her wishes.

Patients can indicate their future wishes about medical treatment, in the event that they are unable to communicate them, through forms called advance directives. But in Texas, under the Health and Safety Code, such a form includes the provision "I understand that under Texas law this Directive has no effect if I have been diagnosed as pregnant."

Erick Munoz told WFAA doctors said his wife may have suffered a pulmonary embolism, which happens when blood clots travel to the lungs from elsewhere in the body. They do not know how long the baby went without nutrients and oxygen.

The hospital would not release specific details about Marlise Munoz's condition, but officials said the hospital would follow Texas law regarding care during pregnancy.

"We have a responsibility as a good corporate citizen here in Tarrant County to also provide the highest quality care we can for all of our patients," said J.R. Labbe, vice president of communications and community affairs for JPS Health Network, in a statement.

"But at all times, we will follow the law as it is applicable to health care in the state of Texas. And state law here says you cannot withhold or withdraw life sustaining treatment for a pregnant patient. It's that clear."

The husband and wife, both paramedics in the Tarrant County area, have a 14-month-old son named Mateo.

Erick Munoz and Marlise Munoz's mother did not immediately respond to requests for comment from CNN.

Erick Munoz found his wife unconscious on November 26, around 2 a.m. He performed CPR on her and then called 911, WFAA reported.

Since that day, the pregnant woman has been on life support, her husband said. Tests have shown that the fetus has a normal heart beat, he said. At 24 weeks, doctors may know more about when the fetus can be taken out, Munoz's family told WFAA. Doctors have also discussed the possibility of taking the fetus to full term.

He told WFAA that his wife had said she would not want to be kept alive by machine, and said he has reached "the point where you wish that your wife's body would stop."

Munoz wears his wife's pink and blue bracelets on his wrist, WFAA reported. Her wedding ring is on his pinkie.

When Munoz walks in the door, he said his son Mateo is waiting for his mother to show up.

"You can see it in his eyes," Munoz said.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:40 AM   #16
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I agree with all that except I don't think it's my opinion As much as I was just talking out loud. I think I would want whatever my husband needed at that point. Not that it would necessarily matter.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:43 AM   #17
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What if she was 8 months pregnant? Could he still then elect to just pull the plug?
And that's the heart of the matter. There has to be a line of demarcation, and there's going to be varied opinions on where that line should be.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:44 AM   #18
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There has to be a line of demarcation,
"No there doesn't." - Liberal feminist
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:51 AM   #19
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Pull the damn plug. There's plenty more women out there to knock up without all the drama.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:07 AM   #20
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Pull the damn plug. There's plenty more women out there to knock up without all the drama.
Name one
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:15 AM   #21
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:17 AM   #22
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:28 AM   #23
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Hahahahahahahahaha - not you, even though I love you.
It's like climbing a slightly less majestic mountain than Everest. You may end up losing limbs, frost bitten and half dead but once you plant the flag you forget all that.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:31 AM   #24
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It's like climbing a slightly less majestic mountain than Everest. You may end up losing limbs, frost bitten and half dead but once you plant the flag you forget all that.

And most die on the way down….
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:32 AM   #25
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And most die on the way down….
A gentle nudge is as good as an accidental slip.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:42 AM   #26
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Just look like you tried to grab the rope.



Fact…I met a lady who's Husband did summit and did die on the way down. Amazing Story.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:50 AM   #27
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What if she was 8 months pregnant? Could he still then elect to just pull the plug?
I would say at that point they can deliver the baby and not have to go through all this.

It is a tough decision and something that has gotten lost in all of this is the cost of this. In the end you could have lost your wife, your kid and be millions of dollars in debt and for what? The absolute best case scenario is having a healthy baby but what are the odds of that? I hope by some miracle it happens...
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:55 AM   #28
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I would say at that point they can deliver the baby and not have to go through all this.

It is a tough decision and something that has gotten lost in all of this is the cost of this. In the end you could have lost your wife, your kid and be millions of dollars in debt and for what? The absolute best case scenario is having a healthy baby but what are the odds of that? I hope by some miracle it happens...
That's skirting around his statement, though. According to him the choice would be his and he could pull the plug regardless of whether they could deliver.
Not that any father would, but the point is that it isn't just as simple as, 'His choice." Unless of course you believe he should be able to pull the plug on her whether 2 months pregnant or 8 months.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:58 AM   #29
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Just look like you tried to grab the rope.



Fact…I met a lady who's Husband did summit and did die on the way down. Amazing Story.
I'd say that was anti climatic.

I'm sorry. I make jokes at inappropriate times whenever my heart starts melting. I wouldn't mind climbing shit, it's the miserable slow death from cold that would wig me out.
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I'd say that was anti climatic.

I'm sorry. I make jokes at inappropriate times whenever my heart starts melting. I wouldn't mind climbing shit, it's the miserable slow death from cold that would wig me out.
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