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Old 12-27-2013, 08:11 PM  
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Democrats choose to fund illegal tax refunds instead of military pensions

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Senate GOP fails in final bid to block military pension cuts in budget bill

A final effort by Senate Republicans to halt cuts to pensions of military retirees failed late Tuesday, after Democrats blocked an amendment to the controversial budget bill.

The two-year budget agreement, which cleared a key test vote earlier in the day, was expected to get a final vote no later than Wednesday.

Ahead of the final vote, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., tried unsuccessfully to use a parliamentary tactic to force a vote on the amendment, which he wrote to undo the cuts for military retirees.

A provision in the already House-passed bill would cut retirement benefits for military retirees by $6 billion over 10 years.

Sessions wanted to instead eliminate an estimated $4.2 billion in annual spending by reining in an IRS credit that illegal immigrants have claimed.

He and fellow senators argued the bill unfairly sticks veterans and other military retirees with the cost of new spending.

“It’s not correct, and it should not happen,” Sessions said on the floor.

"By blocking my amendment, they voted to cut pensions for wounded warriors," he said afterwards. "Senators in this chamber have many valid ideas for replacing these pension cuts, including my proposal to close the tax welfare loophole for illegal filers, and all deserved a fair and open hearing. But they were denied.”

Sessions’ office claimed the vote Tuesday to block the amendment was a vote to "cut military pensions instead of cutting welfare for illegal immigrants."

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Patty Murray, D-Wash.,who brokered the budget deal with House counterpart Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., argued the GOP effort was really an attempt to kill the entire bill.

The Republican-led House passed the bill last week in an effort to avoid another stalemate leading to a potential government shutdown, like the one in October that polls showed was largely unpopular with voters.

The two-year budget deal would ease for two years some of the harshest cuts to agency budgets required under automatic spending curbs commonly known as sequestration. It would replace $45 billion in scheduled cuts for the 2014 budget year already underway, easing about half of the scheduled cuts.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...o-budget-bill/

There's something inherently wrong with a system where senators aren't drug out and clubbed to death like baby seals when they choose to give tax dollars to illegal instead of wounded veterans.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:51 PM   #2
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Harry Reid and company should be ashamed of themselves.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:17 PM   #3
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:46 PM   #4
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I am sure cosmo will be along presently to defend Hypocrite Harry and his crew.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:08 PM   #5
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um, wasn't the provision regarding cuts to military retirement benefits part of the bill that passed the house, which last i heard is controlled by republicans?

why all the love for obama and none for the house republicans?
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:17 PM   #6
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So where can we find the text of the proposed resolution? I'd like to read it.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:20 PM   #7
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um, wasn't the provision regarding cuts to military retirement benefits part of the bill that passed the house, which last i heard is controlled by republicans?

why all the love for obama and none for the house republicans?
Everything I've seen lists the only pension cuts being a 1% annual cost of increase raise. (I'm not saying they didn't earn it, but it's not a cut. It's a stoppage of raises.) Furthermore, the only thing I've seen put out about the proposal is those two things. I'm curious what all it said before I make up my opinion about it.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:36 PM   #8
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A more accurate way to state this would be a decrease in the amount of increase for retirees under 62. It isn't a cut vs what they are currently getting. And it did pass the R-controlled House.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:37 PM   #9
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Am I understanding this correctly?

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The Republican-led House passed the bill last week in an effort to avoid another stalemate leading to a potential government shutdown, like the one in October that polls showed was largely unpopular with voters.
The R-led House passed this bill. They just didn't get the additional amendment that they wanted. And that leads to this headline?

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Old 12-27-2013, 11:49 PM   #10
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Am I understanding this correctly?



The R-led House passed this bill. They just didn't get the additional amendment that they wanted. And that leads to this headline?
That is essentially correct since the Dems are actively blocking this. A much more accurate way to say it though would be
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Democrats choose to continue to allow illegal tax refunds instead of using that potential savings to fund military pensions
The problem I have is that you don't get to swap one for the other when you are still in the red. Sessions first proposed a different cut to save pensions. I'm in the camp that says "thanks for pointing out two more areas we need to cut, we'll cut those two AS WELL as pensions."

We are well past the point where we can say any and all military spending cuts are off limits. I'm a big pro-military guy but spending in that sector is bloated beyond belief just like the rest of govt spending.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:23 AM   #11
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Yet NOT one Civilian govt worker's pension was touched. What's wrong with that picture ?? Oh yeah, that's a lot of the Dem voting base. Can't F with those folks or they will 'Community Organize in a heartbeat against their own party !!
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:02 AM   #12
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Yet NOT one Civilian govt worker's pension was touched. What's wrong with that picture ?? Oh yeah, that's a lot of the Dem voting base. Can't F with those folks or they will 'Community Organize in a heartbeat against their own party !!
I don't know the details of pensions, but I read recently that Obama has frozen civilian salaries the past three years. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:50 AM   #13
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The headline should have been "Don't dig deeper unless you want your nostrils full of bullshit!"
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"Keep your promise" was the theme of a lobbying effort by the Military Officers Association of America.
The principle of grandfathering these reductions is what is different from previous changes. Military folks signed a contract or series of contracts (reenlistments) based upon the retirement system in place at their first enlistment or commission. These reductions do not honor that contract. The cumulative effect over 20 plus years is substantial.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:20 AM   #15
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I don't know the details of pensions, but I read recently that Obama has frozen civilian salaries the past three years. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Civilian pay has not increased for 3 years but it is for 2014. However civilian retirement and military retirements have increased as a chained CPI percentage for the last several years. This law ( now signed by Pres.) separates the two retirement CPI methods going forward and only the military retirees do not get the cost of living increase until 62.
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