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Old 01-02-2014, 07:43 PM  
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Here's the number of people who've lost their coverage due to the ACA.

The GOP has been reiterating 5 million Americans will lose their healthcare coverage thanks to Obamacare, based on a figure of 4.7 million.

Turns out, the actual number is 10,000 in 18 counties. In a nation of 300 million+ and over 3,000 counties.

Of the 4.7 million the GOP has claimed will lose coverage, half can renew their 2013 plans thanks to an adjustment made by the Obama administration, another 1.5 million have access to tax credits and Medicaid, and everybody else will have access to an affordable plan where they live -- except for 10,000 people.

That's not good information for those 10,000 people, and adjustments should be made to provide some options for those people. And all behemoths like the ACA have some collateral damage, but again, something should be done to provide these folks options.

But a plan designed to insure 30 million people over ten years and bend the cost curve of health coverage has a much smaller imprint (about 500 times smaller) than many of the detractors of the ACA.

10,000. Those are the people whose cancellation notices truly left them in the cold under the ACA. 99% otherwise have ample options.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:26 PM   #31
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And how many of those who are are going to be blessed by Obamacare to re-sign up for health insurance taken away by Obamacare's minimum standards are going to be paying MORE than they were before?
That's a different topic, actually.

I'm referring to people losing coverage. Those who will end up paying more for compliant plans is a part of the bill. That's a part of making health coverage for 300 million people more accessible.

Fortunately, early signs indicate that the cost curve will bend, making future increases in coverage less dramatic for everyone.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:26 PM   #32
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:26 PM   #33
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That's a different topic, actually.

I'm referring to people losing coverage. Those who will end up paying more for compliant plans is a part of the bill. That's a part of making health coverage for 300 million people more accessible.

Fortunately, early signs indicate that the cost curve will bend, making future increases in coverage less dramatic for everyone.
I doubt that it is for them, Direckshun, considering what they've been sold.

Do you accept the minimum standards set forth under Obamacare? You agree with them?
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That's a different topic, actually.

I'm referring to people losing coverage. Those who will end up paying more for compliant plans is a part of the bill. That's a part of making health coverage for 300 million people more accessible.

Fortunately, early signs indicate that the cost curve will bend, making future increases in coverage less dramatic for everyone.
so, the thread title is incorrect/misleading?
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And why are they losing their plans?
Because they received their plans on the individual market, and their plans are not ACA compliant.

Fortunately, 99% of them have affordable options to retain coverage.

I could do this all day. Theoretically.
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Because they received their plans on the individual market, and their plans are not ACA compliant.

Fortunately, 99% of them have affordable options to retain coverage.
"Not ACA-compliant." Charming. Wait, that sounds akin to a means test, doesn't it? I thought you hated and didn't agree with means tests?
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even if we take this as 'keeping their plans' and not re-enrolling for the same plan they were dropped from, doesn't this mean that 2.35 million DID lose their coverage?
They lost their existing plans, yes. But virtually all of them will retain coverage through affordable options to replace their existing plans.
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