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Old 01-02-2014, 07:43 PM  
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Here's the number of people who've lost their coverage due to the ACA.

The GOP has been reiterating 5 million Americans will lose their healthcare coverage thanks to Obamacare, based on a figure of 4.7 million.

Turns out, the actual number is 10,000 in 18 counties. In a nation of 300 million+ and over 3,000 counties.

Of the 4.7 million the GOP has claimed will lose coverage, half can renew their 2013 plans thanks to an adjustment made by the Obama administration, another 1.5 million have access to tax credits and Medicaid, and everybody else will have access to an affordable plan where they live -- except for 10,000 people.

That's not good information for those 10,000 people, and adjustments should be made to provide some options for those people. And all behemoths like the ACA have some collateral damage, but again, something should be done to provide these folks options.

But a plan designed to insure 30 million people over ten years and bend the cost curve of health coverage has a much smaller imprint (about 500 times smaller) than many of the detractors of the ACA.

10,000. Those are the people whose cancellation notices truly left them in the cold under the ACA. 99% otherwise have ample options.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:31 PM   #46
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They lost their existing plans, yes. But virtually all of them will retain coverage through affordable options to replace their existing plans.
Affordable? You define "affordable" as " well, yes, it's going to cost more"?
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I doubt that it is for them, Direckshun, considering what they've been sold.
I actually don't understand what you're referring to here. Can you please rephrase, or at least clarify?
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:32 PM   #48
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so, the thread title is incorrect/misleading?
It is actually accurate and correct.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:33 PM   #49
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They lost their existing plans, yes. But virtually all of them will retain coverage through affordable options to replace their existing plans.
Bullshit. And you know that is bullshit. They can't get the coverage they had cause Obama said they can…there were a bunch of insurance companies who said no they would not restructure their offering for a one year deal and thus the insured is out in the cold.


You have no shame whatsoever.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:33 PM   #50
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I actually don't understand what you're referring to here. Can you please rephrase, or at least clarify?
For what purpose? You've already acknowledged Obama's lies on the matter. Unfortunately, you don't care about that.
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It's cheap and easy, unlike your panacea.
I roll with barbiturates. Pretty affordable on the black market.

Unfortunately not covered by the ACA. Thanks, Obama.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:33 PM   #52
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I'm not sure if you can consider this thread 'more interesting' but by golly I give you credit for trying.
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"Not ACA-compliant." Charming. Wait, that sounds akin to a means test, doesn't it? I thought you hated and didn't agree with means tests?
I don't agree that poor folks should have to undergo "worthiness" tests in order to receive aid. That's more or less where my loyalties lie on that issue.
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I'm not sure if you can consider this thread 'more interesting' but by golly I give you credit for trying.


He can't really do anything else on this issue, so at least he's having fun with it.
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Of the reported 4.7 million people who receive cancellation notices, half [b][i]should[b][i] have the option to renew their 2013 coverage.
Of the remaining 2.35 million individuals, approximately 1.4 million should be eligible for tax credits through the marketplaces or Medicaid. Of the remaining 950,000 individuals, fewer than 10,000 people in 18 counties in a single state would lack access to an affordable catastrophic plan. This is less than 0.2% of the estimate made by opponents of the Affordable Care Act.
So, like of the 4.7 million cancellations that never should have happened in the first place, half of these people SHOULD get the option of keeping their old plan (even though the SHOULD have been able to keep their plan in the first place, right?)


Of the remaining 2.3 million, 1.4 million should get subsidies on their new plan (which may or may not provide the same quality of care and may in fact, still be more expensive even after the subsidies. And where did this estimate come from?) (even though the SHOULD have been able to keep their plan in the first place, right?)

which just leaves 950,000 people with new plans without subsidies...which may or may not provide the same quality of care and may in fact, still be more expensive. And where did this estimate come from?) (even though the SHOULD have been able to keep their plan in the first place, right?)

And 10,000 people are left in the cold.

I am not even engaging in hyperbole here. The way the report is presented is disingenuous.
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I don't agree that poor folks should have to undergo "worthiness" tests in order to receive aid. That's more or less where my loyalties lie on that issue.
But males should be required to have OBGYN care... Sure, that makes about as much sense as a gubmint healthcare plan should.
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Affordable? You define "affordable" as " well, yes, it's going to cost more"?
I mean affordable as in it should cost roughly the same or less, if not exactly the same or less.
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It is actually accurate and correct.

sounds like at best 2.35 million lost their coverage and at worst 4.7 million lost their coverage.
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For what purpose? You've already acknowledged Obama's lies on the matter. Unfortunately, you don't care about that.
I do care about it; we've actually had that conversation. I supported the HHS's administrative fix to provide options for those whose existing plans are being canceled. I actually wanted the HHS to provide for all 4.7 million folks, not just 2.35 or so.
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I'm not sure if you can consider this thread 'more interesting' but by golly I give you credit for trying.
I'm just glad we're together, honestly.
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