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Old 01-02-2014, 07:43 PM  
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Here's the number of people who've lost their coverage due to the ACA.

The GOP has been reiterating 5 million Americans will lose their healthcare coverage thanks to Obamacare, based on a figure of 4.7 million.

Turns out, the actual number is 10,000 in 18 counties. In a nation of 300 million+ and over 3,000 counties.

Of the 4.7 million the GOP has claimed will lose coverage, half can renew their 2013 plans thanks to an adjustment made by the Obama administration, another 1.5 million have access to tax credits and Medicaid, and everybody else will have access to an affordable plan where they live -- except for 10,000 people.

That's not good information for those 10,000 people, and adjustments should be made to provide some options for those people. And all behemoths like the ACA have some collateral damage, but again, something should be done to provide these folks options.

But a plan designed to insure 30 million people over ten years and bend the cost curve of health coverage has a much smaller imprint (about 500 times smaller) than many of the detractors of the ACA.

10,000. Those are the people whose cancellation notices truly left them in the cold under the ACA. 99% otherwise have ample options.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:39 PM   #61
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He can't really do anything else on this issue, so at least he's having fun with it.
Shrug.

I'm providing facts to debunk an oft repeated myth by ACA detractors.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:40 PM   #62
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I am not even engaging in hyperbole here. The way the report is presented is disingenuous.
In what way?
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:42 PM   #63
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But males should be required to have OBGYN care... Sure, that makes about as much sense as a gubmint healthcare plan should.
I don't think healthcare coverage should be discriminatory based on gender.

On the whole, women are necessarily more expensive to cover because of their biology. That's not something we should punish them for.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:42 PM   #64
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In what way?
In that 4.7 million people lost their original insurance plan, 2.35 million will not get it back. Not 10k as you previously stated.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:43 PM   #65
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sounds like at best 2.35 million lost their coverage and at worst 4.7 million lost their coverage.
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In that 4.7 million people lost their original insurance plan, 2.35 million will not get it back. Not 10k as you previously stated.
They lost their then-current plans, but 99% didn't lose coverage.

Millions of them will actually get cheaper coverage.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:43 PM   #66
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Shrug.

I'm providing facts to debunk an oft repeated myth by ACA detractors.
Except you AREN'T. You are trying to Humpty Dumpty the words around to support your partisan agenda.

So riddle me this... if I am evicted from my home that I have lived in for years and am quite content with but I have the opportunity to buy a new home with a slightly higher mortgage rate and it may not be what I really want... I didn't lose my home at all really? Right? That is the complete bullshit argument you have just made about insurance.

I will be shocked if anyone here is dumb enough to not see through your nonsense.
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They lost their then-current plans, but 99% didn't lose coverage.

Millions of them will actually get cheaper coverage.
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They lost their then-current plans, but 99% didn't lose coverage.

Millions of them will actually get cheaper coverage.
whoa, let's not leap off the assumption bridge here. There is a difference between cheaper and subsidized. And there is a difference between price and value. People were told they could keep their old plans. And they can't.
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That is the complete bullshit argument you have just made about insurance.
Why?
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There is a difference between cheaper and subsidized.
Not for the person getting the coverage.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:46 PM   #73
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They lost their then-current plans, but 99% didn't lose coverage.

Millions of them will actually get cheaper coverage.
and the thread title:

"Here's the number of people who've lost their coverage due to the ACA."


They did in fact lose their coverage, and that is what the ACA detractors are arguing...
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They lost their then-current plans, but 99% didn't lose coverage.

Millions of them will actually get cheaper coverage.
No, you idiot.. they lost their plans which means they LOST COVERAGE. PERIOD. What you MEAN TO SAY is they didn't lose the OPPORTUNITY to get new coverage.
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