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Old 01-02-2014, 07:43 PM  
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Here's the number of people who've lost their coverage due to the ACA.

The GOP has been reiterating 5 million Americans will lose their healthcare coverage thanks to Obamacare, based on a figure of 4.7 million.

Turns out, the actual number is 10,000 in 18 counties. In a nation of 300 million+ and over 3,000 counties.

Of the 4.7 million the GOP has claimed will lose coverage, half can renew their 2013 plans thanks to an adjustment made by the Obama administration, another 1.5 million have access to tax credits and Medicaid, and everybody else will have access to an affordable plan where they live -- except for 10,000 people.

That's not good information for those 10,000 people, and adjustments should be made to provide some options for those people. And all behemoths like the ACA have some collateral damage, but again, something should be done to provide these folks options.

But a plan designed to insure 30 million people over ten years and bend the cost curve of health coverage has a much smaller imprint (about 500 times smaller) than many of the detractors of the ACA.

10,000. Those are the people whose cancellation notices truly left them in the cold under the ACA. 99% otherwise have ample options.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:11 PM   #121
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4.7 million did in fact lose THEIR coverage...

they are just now forced to get different coverage...
4.7 million lost their current plans, but they retain coverage. The law forces them to retain coverage, and makes it possible for 99% of them to do so.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:12 PM   #122
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4.7 million lost their current plans, but they retain coverage. The law forces them to retain coverage, and makes it possible for 99% of them to do so.
So there are in fact 10,000 who are required to have coverage that don't have it available? Now I'm getting confused.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:12 PM   #123
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:13 PM   #124
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4.7 million lost their current plans, but they retain coverage. The law forces them to retain coverage, and makes it possible for 99% of them to do so.
coverage ≠ the coverage they previously had
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:14 PM   #125
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4.7 million lost their current plans, but they retain coverage. The law forces them to retain coverage, and makes it possible for 99% of them to do so.
Again you are lying. Maybe you are too incompetent to know it but you are. Just because there is a penalty to NOT have coverage doesn't mean coverage is automatically supplied. They still LOST COVERAGE. Saying otherwise is a lie.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:15 PM   #126
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So there are in fact 10,000 who are required to have coverage that don't have it available? Now I'm getting confused.
There are 10,000 people who had their insurance on the individual market that is no longer acceptable under Obamacare.

These folks, unfortunately, are not in one of the 38 states that accepted the HHS's administrative fix to allow these folks to retain their 2013 plans. They also are not subject to any tax credits or Medicaid to help them get affordable plans, and they can't even get hardship exemptions for catastrophic care.

They're legitimately in a bad place specifically thanks to ACA policy, and something should be done to right that wrong.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:15 PM   #127
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coverage ≠ the coverage they previously had
If you have coverage, you have coverage.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:16 PM   #129
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If you have coverage, you have coverage.
Yes and if you don't have coverage(because ACA had a hand in it being cancelled) but there is a law saying you need to get coverage or face a penalty STILL MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE COVERAGE.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:17 PM   #130
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Again you are lying. Maybe you are too incompetent to know it but you are. Just because there is a penalty to NOT have coverage doesn't mean coverage is automatically supplied. They still LOST COVERAGE. Saying otherwise is a lie.
Coverage cannot be denied thanks to the ACA. Every person (who's not ****ed over by red states refusing to expand Medicaid) is mandated to get and be approved for coverage.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:19 PM   #131
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Yes and if you don't have coverage(because ACA had a hand in it being cancelled) but there is a law saying you need to get coverage or face a penalty STILL MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE COVERAGE.
In that circumstance, you have coverage. Except for the working poor in red states who can't get access to expanded Medicaid, you are mandated to seek coverage and you cannot be denied in getting it.
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Coverage cannot be denied thanks to the ACA. Every person (who's not ****ed over by red states refusing to expand Medicaid) is mandated to get and be approved for coverage.
And again you are failing to see why that doesn't make what you said earlier TRUTHFUL. These people LOST COVERAGE. Period. Yes, the law requires them to get new coverage. Yes they can;t be denied coverage. That does NOT mean they didn't lose the coverage they had due to ACA. What would be truthful would be to say that millions will LOSE coverage but will have an OPPORTUNITY to get new coverage without possibility of being denied. But that isn't at all the bullshit you are trying to sell. Which makes you a liar.
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