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Old 01-22-2014, 02:05 PM   #301
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Meh...I'd take Wallace over Peavey. We've got Mauk, Printz, and (hopefully) Lock. The QB spot should be in great shape for the rest of the decade. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Peavey...not at this time, anyway. He could turn into some stud, but there's no guarantee of it.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:33 PM   #302
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Meh...I'd take Wallace over Peavey. We've got Mauk, Printz, and (hopefully) Lock. The QB spot should be in great shape for the rest of the decade. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Peavey...not at this time, anyway. He could turn into some stud, but there's no guarantee of it.
Agree. I think Wallace is going to be an NFL starter.

Peavey? Might be a productive college player, but I don't think he's a can't miss by any means, even for that.

He wouldn't play in front of Mauk, and I have no doubts Drew Lock would beat him out, so Peavey is a non-issue.

If there's one position where it is reasonable to rest easy regarding Missouri's evaluation and work, it is at the QB spot. Those guys know what they're doing there. The only season since Pinkel's first where they did not have a very good player in that spot was last year, when injury and a bad decision to transfer (Tyler Gabbert) ate up all the QB depth.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:58 PM   #303
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Meh...I'd take Wallace over Peavey. We've got Mauk, Printz, and (hopefully) Lock. The QB spot should be in great shape for the rest of the decade. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Peavey...not at this time, anyway. He could turn into some stud, but there's no guarantee of it.
For the record, I'm not saying Peavey is going to be an all-world QB. In fact, starting next year would be the worst thing that could happen to his career.

He played high school ball in the Central Ozark Conference-small school division. On a yearly basis, he played such tough and athletic opponents as Buffalo, Hollister, Reeds Spring, and Springfield Catholic. FGS, he's part of the Elite 11! If he were playing anywhere in the KC or St. Louis metro, he'd be a low 3 star with positive upside. This is the kind of player that begs for a redshirt - he has solid athletic skills, but they're not good enough to compensate for his relatively undeveloped intangibles. DGB was the clear cut best at his position in his class, and he needed a year to adjust to the players around him.

Arkansas fans don't like hearing it, but the quality of HS football in southern Missouri is shambolic. Starting Peavey as a true freshman in the SEC (or any BCS conference) would be a massive and irreparable mistake.
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For the record, I'm not saying Peavey is going to be an all-world QB. In fact, starting next year would be the worst thing that could happen to his career.

He played high school ball in the Central Ozark Conference-small school division. On a yearly basis, he played such tough and athletic opponents as Buffalo, Hollister, Reeds Spring, and Springfield Catholic. FGS, he's part of the Elite 11! If he were playing anywhere in the KC or St. Louis metro, he'd be a low 3 star with positive upside. This is the kind of player that begs for a redshirt - he has solid athletic skills, but they're not good enough to compensate for his relatively undeveloped intangibles. DGB was the clear cut best at his position in his class, and he needed a year to adjust to the players around him.

Arkansas fans don't like hearing it, but the quality of HS football in southern Missouri is shambolic. Starting Peavey as a true freshman in the SEC (or any BCS conference) would be a massive and irreparable mistake.
All true story.

DGB is one of the biggest athletic freaks in recent memory, especially in the midwest recruiting region, and he still needed a year to adjust.
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:10 PM   #305
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All true story.

DGB is one of the biggest athletic freaks in recent memory, especially in the midwest recruiting region, and he still needed a year to adjust.
I had no doubt about DGB catching on eventually. I saw him play as a HS freshman, and he was bigger and faster than everyone else on the field. He had to have been 6'3" or 6'4" at that point.

Unfortunately, the Hogs fans/students/alumni I know view Peavey as "the future of Hogs football" and think he'll step onto the field at Jordan-Hare in August and light up the defending SEC champions. They forget about the good QBs who had that redshirt year and showed great progress from it, including Mauk. Peavey needs a Mizzou-type setup more than Mizzou needs a Peavey.
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:15 PM   #306
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I had no doubt about DGB catching on eventually. I saw him play as a HS freshman, and he was bigger and faster than everyone else on the field. He had to have been 6'3" or 6'4" at that point.

Unfortunately, the Hogs fans/students/alumni I know view Peavey as "the future of Hogs football" and think he'll step onto the field at Jordan-Hare in August and light up the defending SEC champions. They forget about the good QBs who had that redshirt year and showed great progress from it, including Mauk. Peavey needs a Mizzou-type setup more than Mizzou needs a Peavey.
Sounds like Hog fans doing what they do best: Be delusional.

I know he played pretty well in the All-Star game he was in... is that driving false hopes, or has this been going on for a while?

He's a good athlete and has a pretty good arm, but has a LONG way to go on the fine points of being a QB, from what I've read and heard.
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Not too many true freshman start at QB I wouldn't expect it. But internet fan is internet fan & the next QB you've never seen throw a pass is better than what you have if what you have is undesirable.

That said if he does start it's not necessarily irreparable catastrophic damage or however someone put it a few posts back. If he's got the goods he'll take his lumps like all green ones do & grow. Assuming BB is running something similar to what he did at Wisconsin they don't ask their QB's to do too much compared to most offenses. What material they put around him if he's good enough to get on the field will go a long way toward how successful he is as well.
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Sounds like Hog fans doing what they do best: Be delusional.

I know he played pretty well in the All-Star game he was in... is that driving false hopes, or has this been going on for a while?

He's a good athlete and has a pretty good arm, but has a LONG way to go on the fine points of being a QB, from what I've read and heard.
I haven't seen that game, but Liberty North shut him down in the playoffs. He went 11-27 with 3 INT's.
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Not too many true freshman start at QB I wouldn't expect it. But internet fan is internet fan & the next QB you've never seen throw a pass is better than what you have if what you have is undesirable.

That said if he does start it's not necessarily irreparable catastrophic damage or however someone put it a few posts back. If he's got the goods he'll take his lumps like all green ones do & grow. Assuming BB is running something similar to what he did at Wisconsin they don't ask their QB's to do too much compared to most offenses. What material they put around him if he's good enough to get on the field will go a long way toward how successful he is as well.
I think it could be devastating to Peavey because Bielema doesn't have everyone he wants in yet. He's still coaching Petrino and Smith's players, and they didn't look good running his offense last year. I would argue it's already been devastating to Brandon Allen:



Anyhow, I admire Mizzou fans. You have found a stable middle ground between the 24/7 schizophrenic obsession of Razorback fans and the complete apathy and laziness of Missouri State fans.

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Peavey is going to take his lumps year one regardless imo. Factor in the fact he has to play in the west division and it'll still be a rough year for the Hogs, Look out for them in year 3 under Bieliema, its going to take a few years to put out that dumpster fire.
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Recently, Michael Sam let members of the media in on a little secret behind Missouri's impressive season along the defensive line in 2013: They felt disrespected.

"Everybody thought our D-line was doomed because Sheldon Richardson was gone," Sam told reporters during Senior Bowl practices. "I kind of took that as disrespectful."

After 2012's unsatisfactory 5-7 SEC debut, on the outside it looked like the Tigers could be in more trouble in 2013 with Richardson, a first-round NFL draft pick, gone. What was left was a lot of potential but no proven playmakers.

Then the actual football started, and the Tigers were a menace up front, leading the SEC with 41 sacks and 107 tackles for loss during their fantastic SEC Year 2 turnaround. Sam, who was one of the nation's biggest surprises, led the SEC with 11.5 sacks and 19 tackles for loss. Fellow linemen Kony Ealy and Markus Golden combined for 14.5 more sacks and 27 tackles for loss.

That was a ton of production from arguably the SEC's best defensive line. Now, most of it is gone, as Sam graduated and Ealy declared for the NFL draft. But Tigers fans certainly shouldn't fret -- Missouri still has a lot of talent to work with in the trenches in 2014.

It starts with Golden, who didn't get as much love as Sam or Ealy but still managed to record 6.5 sacks and 13 tackles for loss this past season. He has the makings of being a star in the SEC this fall. It was a bit of a surprise to even see him stay, which is a huge win for the Tigers but a loss for the rest of the league. You should be hearing his name a lot this fall.

And you can't double-team him, either. Not with the soon-to-be-not-so-unknown Shane Ray, who collected 4.5 sacks and nine tackles for loss last season, coming back at the other end position. He was also second on the team behind Ealy with 11 quarterback hurries. Yep, that was even better than Sam.

Ray, who will be a junior this fall, was a solid reserve for Mizzou last season and flashed signs of being a real handful for offensive linemen to handle. He went five straight games at one point during the season with being a part of a sack and has the chance at a nice breakout season in 2014.

Inside, Mizzou still has Matt Hoch, Harold Brantley and Lucas Vincent. All of these guys have what it takes to clog the middle yet again, and all of them have seen a good amount of time on the field. Brantley, who was a redshirt freshman last fall, could be someone to really keep an eye on going forward. He added around 20 pounds last year to get strong inside yet showed his athleticism and speed on a nifty 26-yard run on a fake punt against Ole Miss. Hoch is an underrated player who somehow figures out how to find the ball on plays, while Vincent has played in every game of his three-year career. Hoch and Vincent combined for 64 tackles, including 10 for loss, last year.

So while the Tigers will no doubt miss Sam and Ealy, they'll be just fine in 2014 with the players returning. This school has churned out defensive line studs in the past, thanks to the developmental skills of defensive line coach Craig Kuligowski. With his track record, it appears he knows exactly what he's doing up front. Expect that to continue this fall.
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Without a doubt. You'd have four players in the front seven (Hali, Houston, Richardson, Poe) who should command double teams.

You could run almost any front imaginable with those guys. You could rush three and still generate pressure.
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