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At first I was excited because I thought this was the goat-headed demon that Chris said was me. Turns out it is not Azazel, but my rival Baphomet.



Group unveils Satan statue design for Oklahoma

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) A satanic group unveiled designs Monday for a 7-foot-tall statue of Satan it wants to put at the Oklahoma state Capitol, where a Ten Commandments monument was placed in 2012.

The New York-based Satanic Temple formally submitted its application to a panel that oversees the Capitol grounds, including an artist's rendering that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard that's often used as a symbol of the occult. In the rendering, Satan is sitting in a pentagram-adorned throne with smiling children next to him.

"The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."

The Satanic Temple maintains that the Oklahoma Legislature's decision to authorize a privately funded Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol opened the door for its statue. The Ten Commandments monument was placed on the north steps of the building in 2012, and the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has sued to have it removed.

Similar requests for monuments have been made by a Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

In response, the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission recently placed a moratorium on considering any new requests.

"Anybody can still make their request, but we'll hold off on considering them until the lawsuit is adjudicated," commission Chairman Trait Thompson said.

The push by the Satanic Temple has rankled elected leaders in this conservative state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt, who say such a proposal would never be approved by the commission.

"I think you've got to remember where you are. This is Oklahoma, the middle of the heartland," said Rep. Don Armes, R-Faxon. "I think we need to be tolerant of people who think different than us, but this is Oklahoma, and that's not going to fly here."

While Greaves acknowledges the Satanic Temple's effort is in part to highlight what it says is hypocrisy of state leaders in Oklahoma, he says the group is serious about having a monument placed there.

The group already has raised nearly half of the $20,000 it says it needs to build the monument.

"We plan on moving forward one way or another," Greaves said.

Another Oklahoma legislator, Rep. Earl Sears, called the group's effort "an insult to the good people of the state."

"I do not see Satanism as a religion, and they have no place at the state Capitol," said Sears, R-Bartlesville.

On its website, the Satanic Temple explains that it "seeks to separate Religion from Superstition by acknowledging religious belief as a metaphorical framework with which we construct a narrative context for our goals and works.

"Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness," the website says
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:35 AM   #46
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #47
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If these guys win in the courts, I'd remove the Christian monument and say no one gets one before I allowed this crap to be put up.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:01 AM   #48
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If these guys win in the courts, I'd remove the Christian monument and say no one gets one before I allowed this crap to be put up.
Don't you see what's wrong with that though? Freedom of religion isn't supposed to mean "This one religion that we think is acceptable, but not that other one that we think is crap. If you want to worship that other one, then we're going to just call the whole thing off and nobody gets to play."

I don't agree with the Satanist bullshit in the slightest. But that's not the point.
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Somehow I doubt they're going to want any Muslim symbols put up either.

But because they've decided it's OK to put religion in Government buildings, they're going to have allow it.

They brought it on themselves.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:12 PM   #50
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Somehow I doubt they're going to want any Muslim symbols put up either.

But because they've decided it's OK to put religion in Government buildings, they're going to have allow it.

They brought it on themselves.
I wonder which would meet more resistance--the Satan statue or a Muslim monument. I'm guessing it would be pretty close.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:16 PM   #51
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I wonder which would meet more resistance--the Satan statue or a Muslim monument. I'm guessing it would be pretty close.
Have you ever been to Oklahoma?

Definitely would be the muzzzzlem statue.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:26 PM   #52
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Don't you see what's wrong with that though? Freedom of religion isn't supposed to mean "This one religion that we think is acceptable, but not that other one that we think is crap. If you want to worship that other one, then we're going to just call the whole thing off and nobody gets to play."

I don't agree with the Satanist bullshit in the slightest. But that's not the point.
Based on everything I've ever read on people like this, it has nothing to do with freedom of religion to them, they know that probably 80% of the people in that area would abhor something like that... in my honest opinion, this is nothing more than an attempted thumb in the eye.

All of these kinds of groups, LaVeyan Satanism, Thelema, OTO, Theosophy more or less try to espouse this motto... "do as thou will shall be the whole of the law"... I don't see that as a worthy belief system. Now, for a decent, conscientious person like you, that's ok (I guess) but what about people with evil minds, people with no empathy or sympathy? Is it acceptable for them to just follow their own will?

A lot of the more modern proponents of stuff like this try to qualify that motto by saying "well, we believe in that as long as it doesn't hurt others"... but then you look at a grand icon of people like this, Aleister Crowley, the man who proudly proclaimed himself "The Most Wicked Man In The World". I'm simply unable to square wickedness with the good ol "Live and Let Live" motto from a guy like him or people who admire/idolize people like him... that's not the MO of wickedness.

They try to dance around their true spirit, obfuscate it, dress it up for modern audiences.

Anyway, feel free to disagree, but I personally wouldn't allow ANY religious symbols before I allow that garbage... people are always bitching about separation of church and state anyway, so lets just do that in regard to this thumb in the eye.
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At first I was excited because I thought this was the goat-headed demon that Chris said was me. Turns out it is not Azazel, but my rival Baphomet.

It's missing the teleprompters...
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feel free to disagree, but I personally wouldn't allow ANY religious symbols before I allow that garbage... people are always bitching about separation of church and state anyway, so lets just do that in regard to this thumb in the eye.
There is the catch. Allow all of it or none of it. I do not mind crosses or the 10 commandments. I have no issue with people celebrating any religious holiday. This statute would not have an effect on me one way or the other. In order to protect freedom you open the door for this by having any religious symbols in public places. Either accept all of it or none of it. I would prefer the latter but again none of these symbols mean anything to me~
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The argument in support of the ten commandments monuments in various places around the country is that our legal system is partially derived from that early code of laws. It's not a religious argument. It's going to be tough to come up with a similar argument for a statue of cosmo20002 or whatever demon that is. I guess they could say that it's a monument in honor of freedom of religion or something, although that would be more persuasive if they included a wide variety of religious symbols from many different religious traditions.
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Based on everything I've ever read on people like this, it has nothing to do with freedom of religion to them, they know that probably 80% of the people in that area would abhor something like that... in my honest opinion, this is nothing more than an attempted thumb in the eye.

All of these kinds of groups, LaVeyan Satanism, Thelema, OTO, Theosophy more or less try to espouse this motto... "do as thou will shall be the whole of the law"... I don't see that as a worthy belief system. Now, for a decent, conscientious person like you, that's ok (I guess) but what about people with evil minds, people with no empathy or sympathy? Is it acceptable for them to just follow their own will?

A lot of the more modern proponents of stuff like this try to qualify that motto by saying "well, we believe in that as long as it doesn't hurt others"... but then you look at a grand icon of people like this, Aleister Crowley, the man who proudly proclaimed himself "The Most Wicked Man In The World". I'm simply unable to square wickedness with the good ol "Live and Let Live" motto from a guy like him or people who admire/idolize people like him... that's not the MO of wickedness.

They try to dance around their true spirit, obfuscate it, dress it up for modern audiences.

Anyway, feel free to disagree, but I personally wouldn't allow ANY religious symbols before I allow that garbage... people are always bitching about separation of church and state anyway, so lets just do that in regard to this thumb in the eye.
Well, sure, when I read this story I assumed that this was being done in direct response to the Ten Commandments statue. The Satanists that I have had contact with fit into several groups. They self identify as Satanists for many different reasons. The thing is...those reasons are all beside the point. The point is that they, and many others like them, see the statue of the Ten Commandments as a "thumb in the eye" and they believe that they are responding in kind. The whole point of this is to put the shoe on the other foot, to put people like you (I assume) in their position.
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Or at least make one of like, an ocelot leaping through the air or something.
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The argument in support of the ten commandments monuments in various places around the country is that our legal system is partially derived from that early code of laws. It's not a religious argument. It's going to be tough to come up with a similar argument for a statue of cosmo20002 or whatever demon that is. I guess they could say that it's a monument in honor of freedom of religion or something, although that would be more persuasive if they included a wide variety of religious symbols from many different religious traditions.
I may be wrong because I haven't gone back and looked, but I think this is the case where the local politicians authorized the original statue on religious rather than legal principles.
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There is the catch. Allow all of it or none of it. I do not mind crosses or the 10 commandments. I have no issue with people celebrating any religious holiday. This statute would not have an effect on me one way or the other. In order to protect freedom you open the door for this by having any religious symbols in public places. Either accept all of it or none of it. I would prefer the latter but again none of these symbols mean anything to me~
That's the only premise that works for me if they win the court battle.

I differ from your post in that it would be a shame IMO, these people aren't worried about acceptance because they know it will never happen on any kind of large scale, they just want to stick it to people.
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I think I found the text of the original bill from 2009 and this could get a bit ugly:

http://www.ecapitol.net/viewtext.wcs?HB1330_INT~52nd
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