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At first I was excited because I thought this was the goat-headed demon that Chris said was me. Turns out it is not Azazel, but my rival Baphomet.



Group unveils Satan statue design for Oklahoma

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A satanic group unveiled designs Monday for a 7-foot-tall statue of Satan it wants to put at the Oklahoma state Capitol, where a Ten Commandments monument was placed in 2012.

The New York-based Satanic Temple formally submitted its application to a panel that oversees the Capitol grounds, including an artist's rendering that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard that's often used as a symbol of the occult. In the rendering, Satan is sitting in a pentagram-adorned throne with smiling children next to him.

"The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."

The Satanic Temple maintains that the Oklahoma Legislature's decision to authorize a privately funded Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol opened the door for its statue. The Ten Commandments monument was placed on the north steps of the building in 2012, and the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has sued to have it removed.

Similar requests for monuments have been made by a Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

In response, the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission recently placed a moratorium on considering any new requests.

"Anybody can still make their request, but we'll hold off on considering them until the lawsuit is adjudicated," commission Chairman Trait Thompson said.

The push by the Satanic Temple has rankled elected leaders in this conservative state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt, who say such a proposal would never be approved by the commission.

"I think you've got to remember where you are. This is Oklahoma, the middle of the heartland," said Rep. Don Armes, R-Faxon. "I think we need to be tolerant of people who think different than us, but this is Oklahoma, and that's not going to fly here."

While Greaves acknowledges the Satanic Temple's effort is in part to highlight what it says is hypocrisy of state leaders in Oklahoma, he says the group is serious about having a monument placed there.

The group already has raised nearly half of the $20,000 it says it needs to build the monument.

"We plan on moving forward one way or another," Greaves said.

Another Oklahoma legislator, Rep. Earl Sears, called the group's effort "an insult to the good people of the state."

"I do not see Satanism as a religion, and they have no place at the state Capitol," said Sears, R-Bartlesville.

On its website, the Satanic Temple explains that it "seeks to separate Religion from Superstition by acknowledging religious belief as a metaphorical framework with which we construct a narrative context for our goals and works.

"Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness," the website says
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:14 PM   #106
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Why do people who are anti religion so hellbent to look like fools? If you are not a believer is there some driving force that makes you try to keep believers from having a faith? Im always amazed at the anti religion crowd and the volume and the stupidity of their attack. Is it not enough to not believe?
Do you think the Satanists are anti religion?
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:25 PM   #107
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Do you think the Satanists are anti religion?
No, I was being more general. I would guess a Satanist whatever that is could be called a religion. But in general the need for the anti religion crowd to attack something they don't understand, practice or believe in over and over is amazing to me.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:36 PM   #108
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No, I was being more general. I would guess a Satanist whatever that is could be called a religion. But in general the need for the anti religion crowd to attack something they don't understand, practice or believe in over and over is amazing to me.
Well, I suppose someone who is actually anti religion would logically be expected to attack it.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:45 PM   #110
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Well, I suppose someone who is actually anti religion would logically be expected to attack it.
Why? Used to be there was some my denomination vs yours but that seems to have gone away. Where I live we have about a dozen churches and we all get along fine. You don't see Methodists having an all out attack people who are not Christian. But there is a lot of the non christians in all out attack mode toward people of faith. Whats up with that? Is that a way to justify their non belief?

Not directing this at you specifically….just something you see on CP a lot and seems odd.
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Why? Used to be there was some my denomination vs yours but that seems to have gone away. Where I live we have about a dozen churches and we all get along fine. You don't see Methodists having an all out attack people who are not Christian. But there is a lot of the non christians in all out attack mode toward people of faith. Whats up with that? Is that a way to justify their non belief?

Not directing this at you specifically….just something you see on CP a lot and seems odd.
Because they keep trying intertwine their religion with government and schools. It's not enough for them to simply go to church and worship any more.
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Why? Used to be there was some my denomination vs yours but that seems to have gone away. Where I live we have about a dozen churches and we all get along fine. You don't see Methodists having an all out attack people who are not Christian. But there is a lot of the non christians in all out attack mode toward people of faith. Whats up with that? Is that a way to justify their non belief?

Not directing this at you specifically….just something you see on CP a lot and seems odd.
You aren't making a distinction between the anti religious and the nonreligious.
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You aren't making a distinction between the anti religious and the nonreligious.
Perhaps the difference itself is not that clear. Regardless, the behavior is puzzling.
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Because they keep trying intertwine their religion with government and schools. It's not enough for them to simply go to church and worship any more.
Yet the people who seem most upset by that seem very happy to impose their values on those same schools and government.
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Yet the people who seem most upset by that seem very happy to impose their values on those same schools and government.
I am perfectly willing to impose the Constitution on the schools, and government in general.
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I am perfectly willing to impose the Constitution on the schools, and government in general.
If it were that simple and your interpretation of the constitution were without challenge. Not since it was written has there been anyone with that insight.
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Perhaps the difference itself is not that clear. Regardless, the behavior is puzzling.
You were referring to people who were "anti religious". If someone is anti-religious, then by definition they actively oppose and attack religion.

Anti-religious people are just a subset of atheism, not to be confused with apathetic atheists who only care about their own rights and aren't really concerned about religion.

The loudest, most outspoken atheists often do tend to be anti-religious. The vast majority of atheists tend to just ignore religion, do something else on sundays, and often say "not sure", "agnostic", "spiritual", or some other nonsense when asked what religion they are to avoid having to admit their atheism to someone who won't react well to it.
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You were referring to people who were "anti religious". If someone is anti-religious, then by definition they actively oppose and attack religion.

Anti-religious people are just a subset of atheism, not to be confused with apathetic atheists who only care about their own rights and aren't really concerned about religion.
We also were discussing non religious. But I suppose if you assume anti means they are on attack then that would explain some. What do you think makes a non religious person move to be anti religion? Are all anti religion people that active in their attacks?
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If it were that simple and your interpretation of the constitution were without challenge. Not since it was written has there been anyone with that insight.
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Yet the people who seem most upset by that seem very happy to impose their values on those same schools and government.
If you want to teach religion in a school, thats fine have at it.

Just don't use one single dime of taxpayer money or any public taxpayer-paid resource
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