Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-06-2014, 08:06 PM  
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $16216
Sweet Satan statue for Oklahoma

At first I was excited because I thought this was the goat-headed demon that Chris said was me. Turns out it is not Azazel, but my rival Baphomet.



Group unveils Satan statue design for Oklahoma

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A satanic group unveiled designs Monday for a 7-foot-tall statue of Satan it wants to put at the Oklahoma state Capitol, where a Ten Commandments monument was placed in 2012.

The New York-based Satanic Temple formally submitted its application to a panel that oversees the Capitol grounds, including an artist's rendering that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard that's often used as a symbol of the occult. In the rendering, Satan is sitting in a pentagram-adorned throne with smiling children next to him.

"The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."

The Satanic Temple maintains that the Oklahoma Legislature's decision to authorize a privately funded Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol opened the door for its statue. The Ten Commandments monument was placed on the north steps of the building in 2012, and the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has sued to have it removed.

Similar requests for monuments have been made by a Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

In response, the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission recently placed a moratorium on considering any new requests.

"Anybody can still make their request, but we'll hold off on considering them until the lawsuit is adjudicated," commission Chairman Trait Thompson said.

The push by the Satanic Temple has rankled elected leaders in this conservative state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt, who say such a proposal would never be approved by the commission.

"I think you've got to remember where you are. This is Oklahoma, the middle of the heartland," said Rep. Don Armes, R-Faxon. "I think we need to be tolerant of people who think different than us, but this is Oklahoma, and that's not going to fly here."

While Greaves acknowledges the Satanic Temple's effort is in part to highlight what it says is hypocrisy of state leaders in Oklahoma, he says the group is serious about having a monument placed there.

The group already has raised nearly half of the $20,000 it says it needs to build the monument.

"We plan on moving forward one way or another," Greaves said.

Another Oklahoma legislator, Rep. Earl Sears, called the group's effort "an insult to the good people of the state."

"I do not see Satanism as a religion, and they have no place at the state Capitol," said Sears, R-Bartlesville.

On its website, the Satanic Temple explains that it "seeks to separate Religion from Superstition by acknowledging religious belief as a metaphorical framework with which we construct a narrative context for our goals and works.

"Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness," the website says
Posts: 19,536
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 10:56 PM   #121
stevieray stevieray is offline
Ring of Fire
 
stevieray's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $6325
Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan View Post
Perhaps the difference itself is not that clear. Regardless, the behavior is puzzling.
...because God's word is ALIVE...Inspiration..look up the synonyms

Last edited by stevieray; 01-07-2014 at 11:04 PM..
Posts: 36,378
stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 10:59 PM   #122
alnorth alnorth is offline
Gonzo = Sexy Bitch
 
alnorth's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Iowania
Casino cash: $47369551
Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan View Post
We also were discussing non religious. But I suppose if you assume anti means they are on attack then that would explain some. What do you think makes a non religious person move to be anti religion? Are all anti religion people that active in their attacks?
I edited in some more stuff. I think its the outspoken leaders you are concerned about, not the run of the mill atheist.
__________________
<ptp> how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb?
<Willy> HOW MANY?!
<ptp> none they just sit in the dark and cry
Posts: 27,836
alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:04 PM   #123
HonestChieffan HonestChieffan is offline
Country Santa Year Around
 
HonestChieffan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the Country in MO
Casino cash: $9902
Quote:
Originally Posted by alnorth View Post
I edited in some more stuff. I think its the outspoken leaders you are concerned about, not the run of the mill atheist.
Im more interested in the motivation that drives the behavior and what they get in return. Its as if the more vocal elements have a need to tear down religion. Its as if the fact that people of faith have their religion and beliefs is a threat. The individuals Im less interested in. Is a run of the mill atheist outspoken in your face about it? Or are they just happy in their belief and are willing to accept believers?
__________________
Frazod to KC Nitwit..."Hey, I saw a picture of some dumpy bitch with a horrible ****tarded giant back tattoo and couldn't help but think of you." Simple, Pure, Perfect. 7/31/2013

Dave Lane: "I have donated more money to people in my life as an atheist that most churches ever will."

Come home to Jesus Dave. Come home.
Posts: 28,891
HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:11 PM   #124
alnorth alnorth is offline
Gonzo = Sexy Bitch
 
alnorth's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Iowania
Casino cash: $47369551
Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan View Post
Im more interested in the motivation that drives the behavior and what they get in return. Its as if the more vocal elements have a need to tear down religion. Its as if the fact that people of faith have their religion and beliefs is a threat. The individuals Im less interested in. Is a run of the mill atheist outspoken in your face about it? Or are they just happy in their belief and are willing to accept believers?
Honestly, and I might be wrong and this probably won't be the case with all of them, but I think a lot of the angry militant atheists who are anti-religious see people who follow religion as a pack of morons, and they see the religion itself as not some harmless thing, but a harmful organization holding society back from advancement and achievement with all the fights over science and social issues. They really don't see a christian differently from a 3rd-world savage with a bone through his nose dispensing herbal remedies and telling people how they must live, etc.

They aren't afraid of it, because religion is clearly dying, that much is crystal-clear. Atheism is going to be the vast majority someday, just perhaps not during their lifetimes which I imagine is annoying and frustrating to them in a mostly christian nation.
__________________
<ptp> how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb?
<Willy> HOW MANY?!
<ptp> none they just sit in the dark and cry
Posts: 27,836
alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:17 PM   #125
Easy 6 Easy 6 is online now
Infinity and Beyond
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the goldilocks zone
Casino cash: $20661
HonestChief is onto something, I've said it many times before that its always the atheists who instigate the attack, the derision, whatever you want to call it.

When was the last time a person of faith started a thread that went something like...

Why Christians Laugh At Non-Believers

Or any of the several similarly styled threads that have been posted here over the years?

I sure haven't seen them, no one of any type of faith here shoves it in anyones face unless its to speak up after being made fun of, atleast that I've seen.

No one has this world all figured out, not the religious, not the atheists... some of you would do well to remember that and not be so smug about your supposed intellectual superiority.

Ed* AlNorth with a FANTASTIC take on it, though I'm not so sure religion will die out anytime soon.
Posts: 29,665
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:21 PM   #126
stevieray stevieray is offline
Ring of Fire
 
stevieray's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $6325
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free View Post
HonestChief is onto something, I've said it many times before that its always the atheists who instigate the attack, the derision, whatever you want to call it.

When was the last time a person of faith started a thread that went something like...

Why Christians Laugh At Non-Believers

Or any of the several similarly styled threads that have been posted here over the years?

I sure haven't seen them, no one of any type of faith here shoves it in anyones face unless its to speak up after being made fun of, atleast that I've seen.

No one has this world all figured out, not the religious, not the atheists... some of you would do well to remember that and not be so smug about your supposed intellectual superiority.

Ed* AlNorth with a FANTASTIC take on it, though I'm not so sure religion will die out anytime soon.
....they aren't going after religion. they are going after God....religion is just their buzzword.
Posts: 36,378
stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:23 PM   #127
HonestChieffan HonestChieffan is offline
Country Santa Year Around
 
HonestChieffan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the Country in MO
Casino cash: $9902
Quote:
Originally Posted by alnorth View Post
Honestly, and I might be wrong and this probably won't be the case with all of them, but I think a lot of the angry militant atheists who are anti-religious see people who follow religion as a pack of morons, and they see the religion itself as not some harmless thing, but a harmful organization holding society back from advancement and achievement with all the fights over science and social issues. They really don't see a christian differently from a 3rd-world savage with a bone through his nose dispensing herbal remedies and telling people how they must live, etc.

They aren't afraid of it, because religion is clearly dying, that much is crystal-clear. Atheism is going to be the vast majority someday, just perhaps not during their lifetimes which I imagine is annoying and frustrating to them in a mostly christian nation.
So based on that, what will be different? Believers will still believe, Non believers will still believe in their non belief. Its interesting that your view is broken down so simply. To assume a person who belongs to a church and has a faith is a moron is pretty narrow. There are a lot of very smart, successful, fantastic people who are involved in a church. Are they morons in your view?

There is a lot of discussion in your post. Entire nations have sprung from a religious movement. "Holding society back"? Really? What are the fights over social issues and science? Would the differences in views on social issues go away or would they just change?

after midnight….done Much to think about in this.
__________________
Frazod to KC Nitwit..."Hey, I saw a picture of some dumpy bitch with a horrible ****tarded giant back tattoo and couldn't help but think of you." Simple, Pure, Perfect. 7/31/2013

Dave Lane: "I have donated more money to people in my life as an atheist that most churches ever will."

Come home to Jesus Dave. Come home.
Posts: 28,891
HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:27 PM   #128
Cannibal Cannibal is offline
Better to burn out...
 
Cannibal's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bible Thumping Country
Casino cash: $7053
Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan View Post
Yet the people who seem most upset by that seem very happy to impose their values on those same schools and government.
Your false equivalency isn't going to fly. No one is saying you aren't free to choose any religion and practice it in your church and home as you see fit.
__________________
..

Last edited by Cannibal; 01-07-2014 at 11:38 PM..
Posts: 9,157
Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Cannibal Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:32 PM   #129
alnorth alnorth is offline
Gonzo = Sexy Bitch
 
alnorth's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Iowania
Casino cash: $47369551
Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan View Post
So based on that, what will be different? Believers will still believe, Non believers will still believe in their non belief. Its interesting that your view is broken down so simply. To assume a person who belongs to a church and has a faith is a moron is pretty narrow. There are a lot of very smart, successful, fantastic people who are involved in a church. Are they morons in your view?

There is a lot of discussion in your post. Entire nations have sprung from a religious movement. "Holding society back"? Really? What are the fights over social issues and science? Would the differences in views on social issues go away or would they just change?

after midnight….done Much to think about in this.
I agree that its mostly futile, especially if you are talking to someone who is in their 40's or later. Sure, people still give up religion when they are older, but no one shouts them into it, its usually a long private choice, and its usually just finally admitting what they always (didn't) believe.

The long slow march to an atheist society is going to be a generational thing, young people have less and less use for religion than prior generations did when they were young, parents are less and less likely to teach religion, and almost no one who is not raised religious chooses to become religious.

I think the so-called "leaders" (if there even could be such a thing) of the atheist movement should just consistently make their case in the marketplace of ideas, and make sure they zealously defend their rights in court, but there's really no point in attacking a religion unless it becomes egregiously harmful, like Scientology.
__________________
<ptp> how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb?
<Willy> HOW MANY?!
<ptp> none they just sit in the dark and cry
Posts: 27,836
alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.alnorth has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 11:32 PM   #130
Easy 6 Easy 6 is online now
Infinity and Beyond
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the goldilocks zone
Casino cash: $20661
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray View Post
....they aren't going after religion. they are going after God....religion is just their buzzword.
Atheists love to wield science as a weapon, as if its conclusions aren't consistently changing.

Mainstream scientists agree, atleast in theory, that its entirely possible that there is an alternate universe(s)/other dimension(s) superimposed directly onto our own, we just don't see it.

So who's to say what exists in that possible beyond, science isn't able to answer that yet, but it doesn't stop atheists from proclaiming that since the scientific evidence hasn't yet been discovered, it never will be.

Last edited by Easy 6; 01-08-2014 at 10:08 AM.. Reason: forgot the possible plurality (s)
Posts: 29,665
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 08:07 AM   #131
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $9619
I find this whole thing pretty amusing.

If the folks in Oklahoma had not erected a religious structure, with HEAVY Christian-based religious language used to justify it, this whole thing never happens.

The "satanists" in this case - an interesting group that seems sincere in it's desire to ensure the separation of church and state guaranteed in our founding documents is upheld, if not sincere in its belief in Satan as an actual entity - would not have sought to have this put up if the other religious monument had not gone up first.

The legislators in Oklahoma opened the can of worms (or goat-headed men, in this case). Now they must deal with it. And they must deal with it in a way that respects our nation's laws.

As for attacks on religion by non-believers...

I can really only speak for myself on this, but I think my thoughts on this are shared by many people, so I'll put it out there.

I don't think religion by itself is a terrible thing, necessarily. I know it brings comfort and strength to a LOT of people, even if it does nothing for me. Some of the best people I know are incredibly strong believers in a Judeo-Christian religion. In fact, I'd say the best and most inspirational person I know is also one of the strongest Christians I know.

Where I have issue and will stand up is when I see people trying to take actions that blur the separation of church and state and give preference to a religion in a government sponsored/run/etc. setting.

Whether it's school prayer over a PA, forcing non-science into science classes in public schools based on religious beliefs, erecting statues, etc., doesn't really matter.

No government-funded entity should give preference to or promote a religion. The Oklahoma legislators tried to do it. Now they must extend the same preference to any other religion that requests it.

It's not an attack on Christianity or religion. It's an attack on trying to overcome the separation of Church and State.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass."
---- Sinatra
Posts: 8,335
duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 08:14 AM   #132
stevieray stevieray is offline
Ring of Fire
 
stevieray's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $6325
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho View Post
It's an attack on trying to overcome the separation of Church and State.
most overused and misused term on this site..bar none.

...a personal letter is the LAW!
Posts: 36,378
stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 08:34 AM   #133
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $9619
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray View Post
most overused and misused term on this site..bar none.

...a personal letter is the LAW!
And an overused counter argument by people determined to increase Christianity's influence over public policy.

The law:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The letter to Danbury was not brought in by me, it was brought in by the Supreme Court and pretty clearly establishes what the above quotation was intended to mean... from someone who would know.

But Jefferson was not alone in speaking on this. There's quite a bit from Madison that further supports the interpretation of the First Amendment as building a wall between religion and civil government.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass."
---- Sinatra
Posts: 8,335
duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.duncan_idaho has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 08:35 AM   #134
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho View Post
The "satanists" in this case - an interesting group that seems sincere in it's desire to ensure the separation of church and state guaranteed in our founding documents is upheld, if not sincere in its belief in Satan as an actual entity - would not have sought to have this put up if the other religious monument had not gone up first.
There is no separation of church and state guaranteed in our Constitution, which is the final word in terms of founding documents.

Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho View Post
No government-funded entity should give preference to or promote a religion. The Oklahoma legislators tried to do it. Now they must extend the same preference to any other religion that requests it.
This isn't how it works. There's zero chance that this statue/monument will be built on the grounds of the state capitol.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 08:44 AM   #135
stevieray stevieray is offline
Ring of Fire
 
stevieray's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $6325
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho View Post
And an overused counter argument by people determined to increase Christianity's influence over public policy.

The law:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The letter to Danbury was not brought in by me, it was brought in by the Supreme Court and pretty clearly establishes what the above quotation was intended to mean... from someone who would know.

But Jefferson was not alone in speaking on this. There's quite a bit from Madison that further supports the interpretation of the First Amendment as building a wall between religion and civil government.
..Jefferson let different denominations use the Capitol for church services.


There were basically 3 denominations at that time..the Baptists were concerned that one would DENOMINATION of Christianity would get preferential treatment.
Posts: 36,378
stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.stevieray is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:06 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.