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Old 01-08-2014, 12:02 PM  
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Texts, e-mails suggest political vendetta in NJ bridge controversy
By Jake Tapper, CNN
updated 1:07 PM EST, Wed January 8, 2014
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Top aides to Gov. Chris Christie communicate about lane closures to George Washington Bridge

The lanes were closed in September tying up traffic on New Jersey side of busy bridge

Christie has insisted he knew nothing about any political vendetta
(CNN) -- E-mails emerged on Wednesday purportedly from top aides to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie bolstering the case that access lane closures to the George Washington Bridge were borne from a political vendetta against opponents of the governor, and were not the result of an incompetent traffic study as his administration claimed.

"Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," Bridget Anne Kelly, Christie's deputy chief of staff for legislative and intergovernmental affairs, e-mailed David Wildstein, then the highest-level political appointee representing the state at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

That communication occurred roughly three weeks before the access lanes were closed last September, wreaking havoc on traffic from the New Jersey side of the nation's busiest bridge that crosses into New York.

What did Christie know about closed lanes?
Read the e-mails

"Got it," Wildstein replied.

CNN obtained the e-mails but none of those cited in this report responded for comment to confirm their veracity.

Democrats have alleged the lane closures were revenge against Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich for not endorsing Christie in his re-election effort, and the e-mails and text messages provide some evidence for that suspicion.
Christie's office could not be reached for comment, but the Governor has insisted he knew nothing about any political vendetta.

At a press conference last month, Christie said he could only repeat what his appointee, Port Authority Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni, "has said publicly and to everybody in this office, which is they believed the traffic study was necessary and that they ordered it, but the way they did it was mistaken and they didn't follow protocols."

Christie announced at that time Baroni would leave the job, which he has. Wildstein resigned in December when the scandal started to get some notice.
On the first morning of the lane closures, in response to a phone message from Sokolich regarding an "urgent matter of public safety in Fort Lee," Kelly asked Wildstein if the Mayor's call had been returned.
Wildstein wrote to Kelly: "Radio silence. His name comes right after mayor Fulop." Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, a Democrat who also didn't endorse Christie.

Fulop claimed this week his decision was met on the same very day with news that New Jersey Cabinet and other high ranking officials were canceling meetings with him, and that a pension reform bill he had worked on was scuttled by a Democrat who had endorsed the Governor.
On the second day of the lane closures, at 8:04 am, Sokolich sent a text to Baroni. "Presently we have four very busy traffic lanes merging into only one toll booth. ... The bigger problem is getting kids to school. Help please. It's maddening."

Seeing that text, a person whose name has been redacted from the e-mails and text messages writes to Wildstein: "Is it wrong that I am smiling?"
"No," Wildstein responds.

"I feel badly about the kids," the unknown person writes.
"I guess," he or she adds a minute later.

Responds Wildstein: "They are the children of Buono voters."
Barbara Buono was Christie's Democratic opponent in the gubernatorial election that the governor won handily in November.

On September 13, Wildstein wrote to Kelly that the New York side of the bridge gave "Fort Lee back all three lanes this morning. We are appropriately going nuts. Samson helping us to retaliate."

David Samson chairs the Port Authority's Board of Commissioners and is a close Christie ally.

"We should talk," Sokolich wrote on September 17 to Wildstein, "Someone needs to tell me that the recent traffic debacle was not punitive in nature. The last four reporters that contacted me suggest that the people they are speaking with absolutely believe it to be punishment. Try as I may to dispel these rumors I am having a tough time. A private face-to-face would be important to me. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the errors of my ways. Let me know if you'll give me 10 minutes. Regards, Mark."
Other documents raise questions, too

Wildstein sent the texts to Baroni.

"Have not heard back from Bridget," Wildstein noted.

"Fck," Baroni wrote back.

The next day, September 18, Wildstein e-mailed Bill Stepien, Christie's campaign manager, forwarding him a story from the Wall Street Journal titled "Bridge Jam's Cause a Mystery."

"I have empty boxes ready to take to work today, just in case," Wildstein wrote, an apparent reference to being fired. "It will be a tough November for this little Serbian," an apparent reference to Mayor Sokolich.
On October 3, Baroni asks Wildstein what the "Trenton feedback" is. Trenton is the capital of New Jersey and where Christie's headquarters are.

"Good," Wildstein wrote.

"Just good?" Baroni wrote. "Shit."

"No I have only texted brudget (sic) and Nicole they were VERY happy," Wildstein responded. "Both said you are doing great. Charlie said you did GREAT."

The Port Authority, which is run jointly by New Jersey and New York, oversees the tunnels, bridges and seaports between the two states, as well as the metropolitan area's airports.
It's going to be interesting to see if conservative media decides to turn on the spigot for Christie's cause - or throw him under the bus. They haven't been too happy with him anyway. I imagine Roger Ailes is having some pretty intense meetings about this right now.
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Old 01-09-2014, 07:58 PM   #136
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keep attacking the messenger...

It doesn't change that what was reported makes a lot of sense.
I didn't attack the messenger. It certainly shows how you like to consume your news though.

But you're right - huge scandal brewing. Watergate level stuff.

This is just starting. I'm thinking Pulitzers will be one on this before it's all said and done.
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Old 01-09-2014, 07:59 PM   #137
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Just now Rachel Maddow had a very explosive revelation. The lane closures of the George Washington Bridge in Ft Lee had NOTHING to do with the mayor. Rather it was an attack against the Democratic Senate Minority leader Loretta Weinberg who represents Ft Lee. The same Loretta Weinberg who Chris Christie said a month ago was 'fixated' on this and obviously had 'nothing better to do.'

The reasons and ramifications below the swamp squiggle.

Turns out Loretta Weinberg and the Democrats were blocking some nominees to the State Supreme Court by Christie. the genesis of this was Christie not renominating an African American to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court and instead yanking him off when his 7 year term was up. The first time this was done supposedly in NJ State history.

In response, Democrats told Christie that they would not approve anyone for his seat. Earlier last year a Republican judge and wife of a member of Christie's staff was up for renomination. Instead of allowing her to take questions from the Senate Judiciary committee, which Weinberg is a member of, he yanked her as well. Christie then called an afternoon press conference and what happened after that is where he may well be politically be sunk for good. Christie called the Democrats 'animals' said he would not allow this judge to be subjected to them and said that there would be ramifications and they should have thought of them before opening up their mouths. That was afternoon August 12, 2013. The following morning at 7:46am word was sent out from his office to create some traffic in Ft Lee.

Seems like shutting down the GWB for 4 days in September could be some serious ramifications.

If there is any scintilla of proof that this order came from higher than Bridget Kelly then Christie will be finished.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:00 PM   #138
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I didn't attack the messenger. It certainly shows how you like to consume your news though.

But you're right - huge scandal brewing. Watergate level stuff.

This is just starting. I'm thinking Pulitzers will be one on this before it's all said and done.
If it's no big deal, why are you here???
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:02 PM   #139
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If it's no big deal, why are you here???
Not really following the logic there.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:03 PM   #140
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Not really following the logic there.
Just stick to the story then.

What to you think about the idea that this was about Judicial appointees?
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Just stick to the story then.

What to you think about the idea that this was about Judicial appointees?
Will you please post a dailykos link when they have proof he ordered this?
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Seriously, though. I hope I don't hear you talking to people about FOX news now that we see you're a consumer of MSNBC and the dailykos.
Not that there's anything wrong with being in a choir and listening to a preacher. I'm sure it has its benefits.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:10 PM   #143
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Will you please post a dailykos link when they have proof he ordered this?
I'd guess more sources will be looking into this Judge deal. You'll get more...

Until then, keep reading and denying...
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:11 PM   #144
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Seriously, though. I hope I don't hear you talking to people about FOX news now that we see you're a consumer of MSNBC and the dailykos.
Not that there's anything wrong with being in a choir and listening to a preacher. I'm sure it has its benefits.
Again, keep attacking the messenger.

I'm out for now.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:53 PM   #146
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Sheesh.
Sorry I'm having a bad day. I'm sure most of you are fine people IRL. I just think you're really really wrong - and I think conservative media very slickly and cynically plays upon your fears to keep you from being able to see things more rationally. I accept that the same thing could be happening to me, just from the left. But I don't think it's likely that I'm that far off base as the standard talk radio fare we get on here.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:57 PM   #147
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Yeah, 15 months later and somehow we still "don't know exactly what happened" or "who knew what"....riiiiigggggghhhhhtttttt
Yeah maybe some people knew more than they are saying. Things went bad - maybe some mistakes were made - and obviously the other side (conservative media) is going to pounce on any mistake with both feet. This kind of thing happens every damn day in politics. Have you analyzed the other two dozen or so embassy attacks in the last 20 years to see who knew what when?

Again - you're not going to sell this vague shit to swing voters.
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Yeah weak evidence.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...ge-fort-lee--2



Better move on to the next step - deflection: "Well, ok yeah that's pretty strong evidence. But ABC democrat did XYZ! Also Bill Maher/Michael Moore/Al Sharpton said something outrageous! Also BEHGHAZI!!! WAR ON CHRISTIANS!!!".

By the way I actually like Christie. I just think this whole thing is hilarious.
It is but when your approval poll numbers are in the high 30's and you have a former Sec of Def basically calling you out politically on the war bashing you with his new book, any little morsel of 'so what info' in the hands of the Majority Pravada press can be made to look as bad as Watergate if not worse. All hands on deck for the Alinskyizing of Christie !!! Set back and watch the show !!! Yet while our Fed Govt watches us take showers, allows 4 US diplomats to die, sends the IRS Gestapo after us and forces us to buy BarryCare while lying through his teeth BARRY gets a pass - CRICKETS from the Pravada Press
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