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Texts, e-mails suggest political vendetta in NJ bridge controversy
By Jake Tapper, CNN
updated 1:07 PM EST, Wed January 8, 2014
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Top aides to Gov. Chris Christie communicate about lane closures to George Washington Bridge

The lanes were closed in September tying up traffic on New Jersey side of busy bridge

Christie has insisted he knew nothing about any political vendetta
(CNN) -- E-mails emerged on Wednesday purportedly from top aides to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie bolstering the case that access lane closures to the George Washington Bridge were borne from a political vendetta against opponents of the governor, and were not the result of an incompetent traffic study as his administration claimed.

"Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," Bridget Anne Kelly, Christie's deputy chief of staff for legislative and intergovernmental affairs, e-mailed David Wildstein, then the highest-level political appointee representing the state at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

That communication occurred roughly three weeks before the access lanes were closed last September, wreaking havoc on traffic from the New Jersey side of the nation's busiest bridge that crosses into New York.

What did Christie know about closed lanes?
Read the e-mails

"Got it," Wildstein replied.

CNN obtained the e-mails but none of those cited in this report responded for comment to confirm their veracity.

Democrats have alleged the lane closures were revenge against Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich for not endorsing Christie in his re-election effort, and the e-mails and text messages provide some evidence for that suspicion.
Christie's office could not be reached for comment, but the Governor has insisted he knew nothing about any political vendetta.

At a press conference last month, Christie said he could only repeat what his appointee, Port Authority Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni, "has said publicly and to everybody in this office, which is they believed the traffic study was necessary and that they ordered it, but the way they did it was mistaken and they didn't follow protocols."

Christie announced at that time Baroni would leave the job, which he has. Wildstein resigned in December when the scandal started to get some notice.
On the first morning of the lane closures, in response to a phone message from Sokolich regarding an "urgent matter of public safety in Fort Lee," Kelly asked Wildstein if the Mayor's call had been returned.
Wildstein wrote to Kelly: "Radio silence. His name comes right after mayor Fulop." Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, a Democrat who also didn't endorse Christie.

Fulop claimed this week his decision was met on the same very day with news that New Jersey Cabinet and other high ranking officials were canceling meetings with him, and that a pension reform bill he had worked on was scuttled by a Democrat who had endorsed the Governor.
On the second day of the lane closures, at 8:04 am, Sokolich sent a text to Baroni. "Presently we have four very busy traffic lanes merging into only one toll booth. ... The bigger problem is getting kids to school. Help please. It's maddening."

Seeing that text, a person whose name has been redacted from the e-mails and text messages writes to Wildstein: "Is it wrong that I am smiling?"
"No," Wildstein responds.

"I feel badly about the kids," the unknown person writes.
"I guess," he or she adds a minute later.

Responds Wildstein: "They are the children of Buono voters."
Barbara Buono was Christie's Democratic opponent in the gubernatorial election that the governor won handily in November.

On September 13, Wildstein wrote to Kelly that the New York side of the bridge gave "Fort Lee back all three lanes this morning. We are appropriately going nuts. Samson helping us to retaliate."

David Samson chairs the Port Authority's Board of Commissioners and is a close Christie ally.

"We should talk," Sokolich wrote on September 17 to Wildstein, "Someone needs to tell me that the recent traffic debacle was not punitive in nature. The last four reporters that contacted me suggest that the people they are speaking with absolutely believe it to be punishment. Try as I may to dispel these rumors I am having a tough time. A private face-to-face would be important to me. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the errors of my ways. Let me know if you'll give me 10 minutes. Regards, Mark."
Other documents raise questions, too

Wildstein sent the texts to Baroni.

"Have not heard back from Bridget," Wildstein noted.

"Fck," Baroni wrote back.

The next day, September 18, Wildstein e-mailed Bill Stepien, Christie's campaign manager, forwarding him a story from the Wall Street Journal titled "Bridge Jam's Cause a Mystery."

"I have empty boxes ready to take to work today, just in case," Wildstein wrote, an apparent reference to being fired. "It will be a tough November for this little Serbian," an apparent reference to Mayor Sokolich.
On October 3, Baroni asks Wildstein what the "Trenton feedback" is. Trenton is the capital of New Jersey and where Christie's headquarters are.

"Good," Wildstein wrote.

"Just good?" Baroni wrote. "Shit."

"No I have only texted brudget (sic) and Nicole they were VERY happy," Wildstein responded. "Both said you are doing great. Charlie said you did GREAT."

The Port Authority, which is run jointly by New Jersey and New York, oversees the tunnels, bridges and seaports between the two states, as well as the metropolitan area's airports.
It's going to be interesting to see if conservative media decides to turn on the spigot for Christie's cause - or throw him under the bus. They haven't been too happy with him anyway. I imagine Roger Ailes is having some pretty intense meetings about this right now.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:53 AM   #46
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People understand and vehemently don't like being being stuck in traffic.

They also understand that bad shit has been happening at US embassies in the Muslim world since forever basically. But this one is all on Hillary because...? Yeah it gets murky unless you have your head completely buried in Roger Ailes ass.

Sorry but that's the reality outside the derp-o-sphere.
Proof please? Particularly forever and how it's the same as Benghazi ( sg I don't much care about anymore, but do think there was bad judgement.)
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:58 AM   #47
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Proof please? Particularly forever and how it's the same as Benghazi ( sg I don't much care about anymore, but do think there was bad judgement.)
for starters

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Old 01-09-2014, 08:58 AM   #48
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It matters little as this guy has zero chance of getting elected as president. The right is too splintered and he will get trashed by his own party. If he survives the left will not only use their playbook they will also use the ammo provided to them by his own party. One more strike against him is weight. America is too superficial to elect a fat guy~
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:01 AM   #49
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It matters little as this guy has zero chance of getting elected as president. The right is too splintered and he will get trashed by his own party. If he survives the left will not only use their playbook they will also use the ammo provided to them by his own party. One more strike against him is weight. America is too superficial to elect a fat guy~
That. Watching news today, they're talking about Dems going after him, just wait until he dips his feet into primaries...
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:02 AM   #50
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I didn't ask you. And I don't see that list was covering the ME embassies "forever." I see other places and times. "Forever" is a pretty sweeping statement...I doubt it can be defended under that. It's more like modern times and not just embassies. Plus he said "bad shit" not terrorism.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:13 AM   #51
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I didn't ask you. And I don't see that list was covering the ME embassies "forever." I see other places and times. "Forever" is a pretty sweeping statement...I doubt it can be defended under that. It's more like modern times and not just embassies. Plus he said "bad shit" not terrorism.
Well only an idiot would think Suzz literally meant "forever" considering there haven't been US embassies since the beginning of time.

That's why I said "for starters." That covers some of it, but not all the "bad shit."
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Well only an idiot would think Suzz literally meant "forever" considering there haven't been US embassies since the beginning of time.
Well, I wasn't thinking since the beginning of time either. Only an idiot would think I meant that. I think it's overstated and I think it's really a modern era problem, that's getting worse. ( due to our FP over there) Once we are involved though,there is a duty of those in charge at the govt level to provide protection.

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That's why I said "for starters." That covers some of it, but not all the "bad shit."
You said that, but he didn't say it.
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Did you notice how there's actually concrete evidence proving misconduct in this situation?
As if there wasn't with Benghazi? I am not excusing one or the other. I am pointing out the media hypocrisy.
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It matters little as this guy has zero chance of getting elected as president. The right is too splintered and he will get trashed by his own party. If he survives the left will not only use their playbook they will also use the ammo provided to them by his own party. One more strike against him is weight. America is too superficial to elect a fat guy~
I don't see a candidate on the left that would beat him.
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As if there wasn't with Benghazi? I am not excusing one or the other. I am pointing out the media hypocrisy.
"Christie's staff put NJ traffic in gridlock for 4 days to punish a political opponent."

"Richard Nixon bugged the offices of the DNC."

"Elliot Spitzer paid $10k for a hooker."

"Rob Blogoyavich demanded money for the senate seat vacated by Obama."

Ok now give me a similar fact-based description of Benghazi and how it is such a scandal for Hillary.
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"Christie's staff put NJ traffic in gridlock for 4 days to punish a political opponent."

"Richard Nixon bugged the offices of the DNC."

"Elliot Spitzer paid $10k for a hooker."

"Rob Blogoyavich demanded money for the senate seat vacated by Obama."

Ok now give me a similar fact-based description of Benghazi and how it is such a scandal for Hillary.
Hillary was nowhere to be found when the 3am call came.

Hillary admitted, in the presence of Robert Gates, that domestic politics trumped national security when it came to taking a position on an ongoing war.
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Yeah not really feeling it.

#1 is a slogan not a concrete statement like my examples. Hillary answered the call she just maybe didn't play it perfect. Someone may or may not have made a tactical error in the heat of crisis. A bunch of people with an axe to grind have never ending, often easily debunked theories as to why. SCANDAL!

That doesn't really fit on a bumper sticker.

Wtf does #2 even mean? A politician said something vague about being a politician. Maybe. Or whatever. NEVER FORGET

If you guys want to reach people whose reason isn't completely clouded by fear of freeloading minorities taking all their money (IE non-dittoheads), you're going to have to do a lot better than that.

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"Christie's staff put NJ traffic in gridlock for 4 days to punish a political opponent."

"Richard Nixon bugged the offices of the DNC."

"Elliot Spitzer paid $10k for a hooker."

"Rob Blogoyavich demanded money for the senate seat vacated by Obama."

Ok now give me a similar fact-based description of Benghazi and how it is such a scandal for Hillary.
So, Christie's staff doing something means he did something? So, we can hold Obama responsible for any things his staff did?
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