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Old 01-10-2014, 10:01 AM  
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WASHINGTON -- Weeks after Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) made headlines for suggesting low-income students sweep cafeteria floors to learn there's "no such thing as free lunch," Savannah TV station WSAV 3 looked at the "free lunches" Kingston himself has received as a member of Congress.

There's no precise way to count the number of lunches Kingston has enjoyed on taxpayer dollars, but the station took a look at expense reports and disclosures to uncover staggering figures from the congressman's three years in office.

According to the station's investigation, Kingston and his staff have expensed $4,182 worth of "meals for business purposes," and recorded $4,289.33 in free meals from third-party interest groups, including the Congressional Institute and the Georgia Bankers Association.

As a member of the House Appropriations Committee, Kingston has traveled to four continents, racking up $24,313 in per diem allowances. While the allowances were allotted for more than just lunch money, midday meals were included.

When WSAV 3 asked Kingston whether he believes members of Congress "work hard," the congressman "defended his work ethic," saying he works 60 hours to 70 hours a week.

"That's what representative democracy is about, is members going to Washington, but coming home and answering the tough questions," Kingston told the station.

Beyond taxpayer dollars, Kingston has enjoyed many free meals on the campaign trail. WSAV 3 reported $145,391.26 in expensed meals and catering for campaign events, $26,066.45 of which was charged at the Republican Club of Capitol Hill, an exclusive, members only venue.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:59 AM   #241
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I think the issue here is that everyone else is just crazily equating kids to also mean those under the legal working age. You know, like, 8 year olds. Analogy fail.
Where do they get that assumption? Oh yeah, they make it up.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:01 AM   #242
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I'm explaining to you why it doesn't work to compare apples to oranges.
Requiring them to attend school doesn't mean we require them to eat a lunch.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:03 AM   #243
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Requiring them to attend school doesn't mean we require them to eat a lunch.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:04 AM   #244
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Where do they get that assumption? Oh yeah, they make it up.
It seems to me that the potential merits of this idea should be based on the best possible interpretation of the idea. If you make assumptions that kindergartners will be worked like 19th century coal miners in return for a scrap of bread, then it's an easy call. Being a little more thoughtful is harder, I guess.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:20 AM   #245
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It seems to me that the potential merits of this idea should be based on the best possible interpretation of the idea. If you make assumptions that kindergartners will be worked like 19th century coal miners in return for a scrap of bread, then it's an easy call. Being a little more thoughtful is harder, I guess.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:23 AM   #246
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Do kids feel punished when they voluntarily take a job at McDonalds? I don't think so. This wouldn't be any different except the kid would be paid in food instead of money. I seriously don't understand how you or anyone else can think this way, other than the fact that the status quo of free lunches is so deeply ingrained in your minds that it acts as the baseline even in a hypothetical in which it doesn't exist.
That's not a valid comparison.

None of the kids, rich or poor, have the expectation of having to work for their lunch at that age. It has absolutely zero to do with your absurd "Free lunch" status quo. These are kids we're talking about. I'll take the status quo of healthy nourished kids anytime, and would never see that as a negative.

We've created a society capable of providing food to kids when they're hungry, should their parents not be able to provide for them. We're mostly capable of preventing malnourished American kids, yet you can't seem to get over your animosity towards poor people to let some hungry poor kid have a free lunch. You seem to think that unless we make them work for it, they'll just end up as a dreaded "Freeloader".

The priority first and foremost should be healthy well-fed kids. There's plenty other/better ways to instill good work ethic that would be more effective than this terrible plan.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:36 AM   #247
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The priority first and foremost should be healthy well-fed kids.
Exactly. So let's give them free steak fingers with gravy and a white bread roll.
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Old 01-14-2014, 01:03 PM   #248
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Do kids feel punished when they voluntarily take a job at McDonalds? I don't think so. This wouldn't be any different except the kid would be paid in food instead of money. I seriously don't understand how you or anyone else can think this way, other than the fact that the status quo of free lunches is so deeply ingrained in your minds that it acts as the baseline even in a hypothetical in which it doesn't exist.
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Old 01-14-2014, 01:05 PM   #249
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So you're OK with continuing to limit our free SCHOOL lunch program to school days, then. War on the children in the summer and on weekends. Right? Isn't this how we do this irrational, emotional stuff?
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I wouldn't have a problem with a school district that decides to do it this way as long as they can get their taxpayers to fund it.
I have no problem with it being locally funded. But I do have an issue with you seeing it as "optional". It simply isn't. You have stated "we don't force them to eat lunch." No but we do force them to be in a specific location for 7 hours of the day. So your argument should apply equally to prisoners right? We don't force them to eat, that's their choice so they should either bring all their own food to prison with them beforehand or work for their meals? If they refuse they can simply go hungry?

Sorry but you force anyone (child or not) by LAW to spend 1/4 of their day under someone else's control and you damn well have to feed them. I think it is RIDICULOUS that ALL lunches aren't simply a part of the cost of schooling.

You have two choices, provide lunches or stop requiring kids to be placed under state control for 7 hours a day.

On the practical side of things, by providing everyone lunch you would significantly reduce overhead such that the program's costs would likely be insignificant.

EDIT: 1/4? What the hell, apparently there are 28 hours in a day now. Im and idiot. A better way to say that would be over 40% of their waking day (7/17)

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I guess there a few others that must be slow kids too. Maybe they have not taken the required course of reading all of your posts. Maybe you should write a book so all of us slow kids can grasp your brilliance. Use big letters,small words and lots of pictures so we can understand it~
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I guess there a few others that must be slow kids too. Maybe they have not taken the required course of reading all of your posts. Maybe you should write a book so all of us slow kids can grasp your brilliance. Use big letters,small words and lots of pictures so we can understand it~
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I guess there a few others that must be slow kids too. Maybe they have not taken the required course of reading all of your posts. Maybe you should write a book so all of us slow kids can grasp your brilliance. Use big letters,small words and lots of pictures so we can understand it~
One really has to wonder what his commentary on this would be if the congressman had a D next to his name instead of an R.
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One really has to wonder what his commentary on this would be if the congressman had a D next to his name instead of an R.
I am highly suspicious that is a factor. Also the guy just loves to argue~
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I am highly suspicious that is a factor. Also the guy just loves to argue~
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