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Old 01-10-2014, 11:01 AM  
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WASHINGTON -- Weeks after Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) made headlines for suggesting low-income students sweep cafeteria floors to learn there's "no such thing as free lunch," Savannah TV station WSAV 3 looked at the "free lunches" Kingston himself has received as a member of Congress.

There's no precise way to count the number of lunches Kingston has enjoyed on taxpayer dollars, but the station took a look at expense reports and disclosures to uncover staggering figures from the congressman's three years in office.

According to the station's investigation, Kingston and his staff have expensed $4,182 worth of "meals for business purposes," and recorded $4,289.33 in free meals from third-party interest groups, including the Congressional Institute and the Georgia Bankers Association.

As a member of the House Appropriations Committee, Kingston has traveled to four continents, racking up $24,313 in per diem allowances. While the allowances were allotted for more than just lunch money, midday meals were included.

When WSAV 3 asked Kingston whether he believes members of Congress "work hard," the congressman "defended his work ethic," saying he works 60 hours to 70 hours a week.

"That's what representative democracy is about, is members going to Washington, but coming home and answering the tough questions," Kingston told the station.

Beyond taxpayer dollars, Kingston has enjoyed many free meals on the campaign trail. WSAV 3 reported $145,391.26 in expensed meals and catering for campaign events, $26,066.45 of which was charged at the Republican Club of Capitol Hill, an exclusive, members only venue.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:29 PM   #286
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No you can't.
Of course I could. It's a cheap and easy thing to say, just like when you said it.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:34 PM   #287
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No, I think Pat has been pretty clear about his disapproval of the idea but still wanting to discuss it on its merits instead of based solely on emotional claptrap. OH NOES THE HUNGRIE CHILDRENZ!
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If there were no free lunch program and someone came up with an idea for allowing kids from poor families who were at risk of not getting enough to eat at home the chance to help out a little at school in return for free meals, it wouldn't be very controversial IMO. It's not a matter of denying kids food, it's just a matter of providing nutritious meals to needy kids in a different way.
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The Congressman in the OP is talking about how to help them, not about how to cut them off so they starve in the streets.
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I think it's fine to say there's a better way, but the outrage over this idea is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with a voluntary program where kids do a little work and get a free meal in exchange. It's a free meal and it's voluntary.
The only clear thing about his posts on this subject is that he is doing everything possible to muddy the waters and make it not seem as bad of an idea it is.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:36 PM   #288
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I could give two shits about the kids.. I am talking about legal precedent here. In my opinion, if an entity takes legal control (ie the state) of you they become responsible for you during that time period. Shouldn't matter if they are children or adults. Fact is, they have no choice BY LAW but to be in school therefore the entity responsible for said law is responsible for providing for them during that time period which means they should provide lunch. If the school day was 10+ hours long they need to provide at least 2 meals.

If the law requiring them to be in school is local then that is where the control and responsibility resides. If it's at a state level, then there, etc etc
I think that's a reasonable opinion, but I also think it would be a reasonable opinion to take control of these people for 6 hours with the understanding that they should bring a lunch with them, just like we expect them to bring their own clothing and, to a great degree, their own supplies. These are the kinds of judgments our representative, deliberative bodies (school boards, legislatures, etc.) should make*, IMO.

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*From my pov, they are best made locally (allowing for different judgments in different locations), but I understand that there are pros and cons to that too.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:36 PM   #289
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Of course I could. It's a cheap and easy thing to say, just like when you said it.
You have no evidence on the matter in regards to me. This whole thread is evidence against you on the matter.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:42 PM   #290
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You have no evidence on the matter in regards to me. This whole thread is evidence against you on the matter.
That doesn't even make sense.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:06 PM   #291
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There is such a thing as a free lunch.

Today ordered my 10th sandwich for lunch at Carollo's Deli in the City Market. My 11th sandwich is free.

So...next time i go back i get a free lunch.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:07 PM   #292
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There is such a thing as a free lunch.

Today ordered my 10th sandwich for lunch at Carollo's Deli in the City Market. My 11th sandwich is free.

So...next time i go back i get a free lunch.
Do you have to drive there?
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:07 PM   #293
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No, I think Pat has been pretty clear about his disapproval of the idea but still wanting to discuss it on its merits instead of based solely on emotional claptrap. OH NOES THE HUNGRIE CHILDRENZ!
concern about kids being fed = emotional claptrap

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Old 01-15-2014, 03:07 PM   #294
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Do you have to drive there?
Nah, it's a short walk down the street.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:37 PM   #295
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concern about kids being fed = emotional claptrap

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Useless little eaters the lot of 'em.
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Old 01-15-2014, 04:06 PM   #296
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concern about kids being fed = emotional claptrap

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This has nothing to do with emotional claptrap. For my own part and others our input was simply pointing out that an idiot said something completely asinine. This statement was most likely made to impress the fringe right wing population. Clearly it hit its target. This conversation lead me to reply to pat arguing an irrelevant comparison. When asked about the subject of the thread he played the victim role.

The poor victim genius stricken with the task of explaining his brilliance to the feeble simpletons who lack the ability to grasp his intellectual prowess. The read all of my posts reply was nothing more than a feeble deflection from having to take a clear stance regarding if the original statement was asinine or not. The best he can muster is this is something he would not pursue. Pulling short of calling a spade a spade instead creating an unnecessary argument~
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Old 01-15-2014, 04:27 PM   #297
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concern about kids being fed = emotional claptrap

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You are such a woman. I am talking about people screaming "THE POOR CHILDREN!" instead of actually discussing the issue on its own merits dispassionately. THAT is emotional claptrap. I personally think there is NO excuse for anyone in America to ever go hungry. (well except for Chris Christie) But just because that is how I personally feel it doesn't mean that I am going to abandon logic and go into histrionics.
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Old 01-15-2014, 04:28 PM   #298
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HEY! I suppose I could be even more dispassionate and cold than I already am but that would take some of the color out of my posts.

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HEY! I suppose I could be even more dispassionate and cold than I already am but that would take some of the color out of my posts.

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Oh hell, I forgot there is an actual woman who reads this forum from time to time. Busted.
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