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Old 01-10-2014, 11:01 AM  
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WASHINGTON -- Weeks after Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) made headlines for suggesting low-income students sweep cafeteria floors to learn there's "no such thing as free lunch," Savannah TV station WSAV 3 looked at the "free lunches" Kingston himself has received as a member of Congress.

There's no precise way to count the number of lunches Kingston has enjoyed on taxpayer dollars, but the station took a look at expense reports and disclosures to uncover staggering figures from the congressman's three years in office.

According to the station's investigation, Kingston and his staff have expensed $4,182 worth of "meals for business purposes," and recorded $4,289.33 in free meals from third-party interest groups, including the Congressional Institute and the Georgia Bankers Association.

As a member of the House Appropriations Committee, Kingston has traveled to four continents, racking up $24,313 in per diem allowances. While the allowances were allotted for more than just lunch money, midday meals were included.

When WSAV 3 asked Kingston whether he believes members of Congress "work hard," the congressman "defended his work ethic," saying he works 60 hours to 70 hours a week.

"That's what representative democracy is about, is members going to Washington, but coming home and answering the tough questions," Kingston told the station.

Beyond taxpayer dollars, Kingston has enjoyed many free meals on the campaign trail. WSAV 3 reported $145,391.26 in expensed meals and catering for campaign events, $26,066.45 of which was charged at the Republican Club of Capitol Hill, an exclusive, members only venue.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:35 PM   #91
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:38 PM   #92
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Kids who are unlucky enough (yes life is a ****in lottery if you haven't figured it out) to have been born to uneducated poor people should be punished from the start.

Don't concentrate on education and getting out your situation, just start cleaning floors and toilets. It's all you're worth.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:59 PM   #93
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Apparently you're too dumb to understand the concept of a kid who wasn't fed before school and doesn't have money for lunch either. I give up.
Then make their parents do some service to the community. Isn't having a little work done in the community garden or helping to clean a community green space shit that Obama has been telling people to do as part of his call to service or whatever the **** that shit was? There you go. Service to community and a sense of pride knowing one is earning something and the community thrives. It takes a village **** head.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:24 PM   #94
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Good try dickhead. Care to address the ****ing question? Or do you have some other bullshit to try? God boy you have to be better than this.
I answered your stupid question by having Stewart do it for me, by EVISCERATING the GOP with their OWN friggin' words...any other conclusion--you didn't watch the clip.

It can't get any better than that; hypocrisy and contradictions abound within the GOP on this phony issue they raise anytime they are on the ropes....of their idea of selective "personal responsibility."

It's like Stewart said (paraphrasing, BOLD Stewart's emphasis: )

I see...The poor, welfare moms, the homeless, and lazy freeloaders should help themselves!

But, hey...wealthy donors, corporations, and other members of the political elite (ie, big campaign finance contributors with lobbyists in DC) DESERVE THIER government handouts!
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:18 AM   #95
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Luckier kids? Who gives a shit. Nobody handed me shit except grief and bullshit. You think Bill Gates would have been motivated to rule the world if he hadn't been shoved in a couple of lockers? **** sakes, like adversity is the death knell of humanity. Suddenly the idea that you can earn is the most offensive thing you can teach. Kids should be taught to be resourceful and self reliant. They can earn their shit. They learn how to earn they will be the ones with the hot wife and successful career to show off at the 20 year reunion while the "lucky" ones will have grown into Al Bundy types.
You cant seriously be advocating making poor kids work for a school lunch, as if they dont take enough shit from other kids because they're poor... but now they gotta go on some work crew for a lunch?

That is some cold, cold garbage, its completely heartless and out of touch.
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:41 AM   #96
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Luckier kids? Who gives a shit. Nobody handed me shit except grief and bullshit. You think Bill Gates would have been motivated to rule the world if he hadn't been shoved in a couple of lockers? **** sakes, like adversity is the death knell of humanity. Suddenly the idea that you can earn is the most offensive thing you can teach. Kids should be taught to be resourceful and self reliant. They can earn their shit. They learn how to earn they will be the ones with the hot wife and successful career to show off at the 20 year reunion while the "lucky" ones will have grown into Al Bundy types.
Probably because you seem like an enormous asshole.
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Old 01-11-2014, 03:48 AM   #97
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what about this for motivation:

Every student has a test every Friday. Those who get 100% get 1 penny credited to their account. If they get 100% the next Friday, they get 2 pennies. This continues to double every week for the semester. If they fail to reach 100%, they start over.

At the end, a student who achieved 100% on every test could end up with $1k or more per semester in their account, to use on food, snacks, college fund, etc.

The tests will increase in difficulty, yet it would cover what was taught during that week. This would give them immediate incentive to learn and try to do well, and give them a sense of earning and accomplishment.

I think it would be interesting to try this experiment on a small group of middle-school students.
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Old 01-11-2014, 08:20 AM   #98
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Luckier kids? Who gives a shit. Nobody handed me shit except grief and bullshit. You think Bill Gates would have been motivated to rule the world if he hadn't been shoved in a couple of lockers? **** sakes, like adversity is the death knell of humanity. Suddenly the idea that you can earn is the most offensive thing you can teach. Kids should be taught to be resourceful and self reliant. They can earn their shit. They learn how to earn they will be the ones with the hot wife and successful career to show off at the 20 year reunion while the "lucky" ones will have grown into Al Bundy types.
You sound like a guy who got picked on and never had a girlfriend for ****s sake. Showing up at a high school reunion with a hot wife seriously this matters to you? I have no problem with kids learning the value of hard work. I to think adversity can be a great teacher. I am pretty sure kids who are too poor to pay for lunches are already facing their fair share of adversity. They sure as hell don't need some ****head making them push a broom to earn their food. I cannot fathom how anyone would agree with this~
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You cant seriously be advocating making poor kids work for a school lunch, as if they dont take enough shit from other kids because they're poor... but now they gotta go on some work crew for a lunch?

That is some cold, cold garbage, its completely heartless and out of touch.
I think it's fine to say there's a better way, but the outrage over this idea is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with a voluntary program where kids do a little work and get a free meal in exchange. It's a free meal and it's voluntary. It doesn't have to be the worst possible scenario your imagination can conjure.
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:48 AM   #100
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THIS from a guy who's had 61 threads that he's started in this forum, with posts within the last 30 days.

Yet, out of those 61 threads:
-- only about half or 32/61 had even 10 replies
-- only 11 had more than 25 replies
-- only 6 had more than 50 replies (did you bump those yourself? )

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If this were baseball...generously, you'd be hitting about .098...

And yet, I am the "weak" "bitch?"

Well I gotta say, you seem to be an expert on both....

If this were prison, YOU would be the biggest prison bitch in the joint--now that jAZ ain't around.
Ha ha ha.... Ouch....
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Old 01-11-2014, 12:30 PM   #101
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I think it's fine to say there's a better way, but the outrage over this idea is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with a voluntary program where kids do a little work and get a free meal in exchange. It's a free meal and it's voluntary. It doesn't have to be the worst possible scenario your imagination can conjure.
The problem there is that it wouldnt be voluntary, if some draconian school board/gov. agency decided to try this it would almost certainly be mandatory.

The very idea that this filthy rich nation cant even provide a free school lunch to its poorest kids burns my ass but good, in many cases that lunch is the only real meal they get all day, I just dont see how you could get behind this idea, Pat.

If the parents arent working and are taking govt. assistance, make THEM get off their ass for a little community service, thats one thing... but making kids feel even worse about their plight than they already do by making them do something the better off kids dont have to... no. frickin. way.
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Old 01-11-2014, 12:37 PM   #102
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Passing the responsibility to the younger generation. That's nice.

Bootstraps kids. Gotta pull em up....
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The problem there is that it wouldnt be voluntary, if some draconian school board/gov. agency decided to try this it would almost certainly be mandatory.

The very idea that this filthy rich nation cant even provide a free school lunch to its poorest kids burns my ass but good, in many cases that lunch is the only real meal they get all day, I just dont see how you could get behind this idea, Pat.

If the parents arent working and are taking govt. assistance, make THEM get off their ass for a little community service, thats one thing... but making kids feel even worse about their plight than they already do by making them do something the better off kids dont have to... no. frickin. way.
No, it's purely voluntary. Think about the underlying assumptions that lead you to think of it as mandatory. The idea that people are entitled to a free lunch with no strings attached as the baseline of decency in this country is offensive. It's absurd that people think this way but ignore the fact that they are perfectly fine with these same kids not having access to free meals on weekends and over school breaks. You guys seem to have become so used to the idea of a free lunch program that what should be considered generosity is instead taken for granted.

I'm not behind this idea. But instead of seeing it as the evil machinations of some cold hearted hater of children, I recognize that it's a different form of generosity based on a different idea of what might be the best way to help these kids grow to be good adult citizens. I can disagree without demonizing.
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Passing the responsibility to the younger generation. That's nice.

Bootstraps kids. Gotta pull em up....
There's nothing bootstrap about this. It's still welfare. It's just welfare with this Representative's idea of a life lesson attached.
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No, it's purely voluntary. Think about the underlying assumptions that lead you to think of it as mandatory. The idea that people are entitled to a free lunch with no strings attached as the baseline of decency in this country is offensive. It's absurd that people think this way but ignore the fact that they are perfectly fine with these same kids not having access to free meals on weekends and over school breaks. You guys seem to have become so used to the idea of a free lunch program that what should be considered generosity is instead taken for granted.

I'm not behind this idea. But instead of seeing it as the evil machinations of some cold hearted hater of children, I recognize that it's a different form of generosity based on a different idea of what might be the best way to help these kids grow to be good adult citizens. I can disagree without demonizing.
This isnt about free food for people, its about one free meal a day for disadvantaged kids, so that their minds are able to absorb the days work - its about investing in the future of our own country - and yes, also so that we dont have a class of children in this country going hungry during the day.

The only way a program like this wouldnt be total horseshit, is if EVERY kid had to do it, regardless of income... singling out the poor ones for work? No friggin way, thats offensive to me right down to my bones... we'll just have to agree to strongly disagree.
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