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Who here supports Christie and would like to see him run as the R's pick?
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Here are two of my past posts about Christie...

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I'd vote Hillary over Christie... yep, I just said that.
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Besides then the fact he is a fat, obnoxious, New Jersey douchebag? Hmm, not sure what they dislike about him.
There are VERY FEW viable candidates who I'd say are worse than our current president. Christie is one of them. Completely corrupt Jersey sleazebag with zero self control.
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Old 01-11-2014, 03:46 PM   #77
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First of all, I shudder to think of fleets of driving around with "Paul/Walker" bumper stickers, just for the way the names fit together.

Second, I started following you, saying that the breakdown of the nuclear family is the source of all ills, but I don't think I can say it's the only contributor. The increase in power of the military-industrial complex is there, certainly, as are the lingering after effects of the Viet Nam and Cold wars. Limiting things to a social arena, though, I'm much closer to your theory - but then you stretch it beyond the social arena, and here we go.

I already know you're far right, which is fine, but to say the left has contributed nothing to society in fifty years is ridiculous. We can start with civil rights, with numerous advancements in equal treatment based on race, gender, nationality, religion, and sexual preference. My parents are 76 and 80, so I'm glad there's Medicare. There's the Clean Water Act. The Family Medical Leave Act. Pell grants and higher education reform. Student Loan and credit card reform. Public broadcasting. Voting rights. The list goes on.

It's one thing to say liberals have done dumb things; they have. It's entirely untrue, though, to say that they have accomplished nothing over the last fifty years.
I shudder at the fact you don't shudder at what Obama has done to this country in the last 5 yrs and that you probably voted for him 2x.

I didn't say IT was the only contributing factor BUT you can trace it back to the liberal cultural assault on Judeo/Christian conservative values of the American family and it's continual breakdown.

Ridiculous? Yes, let's do talk. Civil Rights is the only legislation that was justified out of your list here for obvious reasons. And did you know if it hadn't been for Repubs it would have failed to pass and the same for Medicare. Many Dems did NOT want these bills to pass.

Clean Water Act-just another way to overregulate and tax allowing for whacko environmentalism. FMLA, Pell grants, higher education reform,student loan and credit card reform just more programs that were created to overwhelm the system and create dependency on the govt. Thus once again where over regulation and higher taxes are always so called 'justified' because we have created a society of dependents who think Fed Govt owes them an education and a living and it better not be difficult in their eyes. Public broadcasting ? Seriously ? Just spewing Marxism at every turn and anti-American themes. Just another propaganda arm for the Marxist Dems. As you said, the list goes on and I agree because it never stops with the dependent entitlement programs.
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I shudder at the fact you don't shudder at what Obama has done to this country in the last 5 yrs and that you probably voted for him 2x.

I didn't say IT was the only contributing factor BUT you can trace it back to the liberal cultural assault on Judeo/Christian conservative values of the American family and it's continual breakdown.

Ridiculous? Yes, let's do talk. Civil Rights is the only legislation that was justified out of your list here for obvious reasons. And did you know if it hadn't been for Repubs it would have failed to pass and the same for Medicare. Many Dems did NOT want these bills to pass.

Clean Water Act-just another way to overregulate and tax allowing for whacko environmentalism. FMLA, Pell grants, higher education reform,student loan and credit card reform just more programs that were created to overwhelm the system and create dependency on the govt. Thus once again where over regulation and higher taxes are always so called 'justified' because we have created a society of dependents who think Fed Govt owes them an education and a living and it better not be difficult in their eyes. Public broadcasting ? Seriously ? Just spewing Marxism at every turn and anti-American themes. Just another propaganda arm for the Marxist Dems. As you said, the list goes on and I agree because it never stops with the dependent entitlement programs.
I'm going to guess that is the longest post you've ever had that didn't contain a form of the word "Alinsky"
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Don't see him as electable. Simple truth is elections are a numbers game. To win you must take the swing votes to the extent you get the most votes. Hard core R and D will always vote R and D.

This next election will be a bit different. I don't see Hillary generating high enthusiasm amend any group. Blacks won't vote nearly as much as they did the last two elections. They Voted Obama for his Blackness. And her Granny Whiteness won't turn them on.

The Hispanic vote will be big D but not at the same % as in past. They are generally pretty smart and can see they are getting ****ed by Obama and dems every day.

Women will break at about 50 50.

Young people will not turn out like they have for Obama. They have been worse hosed than Hispanics. One impact of the big Obama Lie is that we will see lower young folks participation for years to come.

Hillary is beatable. Cruz is fun. But He will turn off a lot of moderates and swing voters I am afraid


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In principle I can agree with you to a point. But then we go way divergent.

The republican party is dead as a mackerel if it moves to a total platform of social issues, many that really don't amount to spit. If we would learn to stop living on issues that divide people and seek to find strong meaningful issues that bring people together we can win every time.
Let me clear something up here that I am a 'Conservative socially and fiscally FIRST. And unfortunately the GOP has left me. I did not leave them based on original GOP manifesto. Therefore I don't see myself going back to the GOP anytime soon based on their actions since W's 2nd term and to the present. Therefore I am an Independent for now who supports Tea Party causes. At this point, the terms GOP/Republican and Conservatism are a political oxymoron IMO. They shouldn't be but unfortunately they are because the GOP cowardly leadership gives into the Majority Marxist Media demagoguing of Conservative social values in our culture and why they the GOP have NO TEETH to differentiate themselves from their opposition. And this is why they can't offer up any legit candidates. Thus "We The People" get frustrated and critical of the party. Other than Bush I when did a moderate REPUB or RINO win an election ?? And Bush I won on the coattails of Reagan Conservatism, don't kid yourself. Bush II finally showed his RINO colors in his 2nd term. Keep throwing up the Doles, the McCains, the Romney type candidates and you will keep pissing off the silent conservative majority and they stay home and the GOP continues to lose elections. RINOism wins NOTHING and why you say the GOP is dead as a mackerel.

Your take on Cruz is correct and your political theories are accurate but not because he supports conservative social values but because the GOP and part of our culture has bought into the demagoguing of any candidate that supports as such is not good. I happen to believe that there is a huge voting block waiting for that "TRUE Christie type of FU in your face type of demeanor that really is a true conservative not only fiscally but especially on social issues that can't wait to get the voting booths.

Culturally why is Duck Dynasty so massively popular and why did Phil win his position with A/E ?? $$ you say ? On the surface yes, but deeper reading between the lines it is because social conservatives who are the real majority in this country IMO spoke up and said FU to A/E and conservatism WINS once AGAIN !! It wasn't just $$ here.

Differentiate yourself from your opposition and truly identify with the majority of social conservatives then you win the election !!

What did Jesus say about lukewarm so-called saints ? He would spew them out of his mouth. And that is exactly what "We The People" are doing with these Conservative pretending RINOs, we are spewing them away and are frustrated to no end in sight.
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Juuuust slightly more than fifty years ago.
Thanks to Repubs once again. Study your political history
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Let me clear something up here that I am a 'Conservative socially and fiscally FIRST. And unfortunately the GOP has left me. I did not leave them based on original GOP manifesto. Therefore I don't see myself going back to the GOP anytime soon based on their actions since W's 2nd term and to the present. Therefore I am an Independent for now who supports Tea Party causes. At this point, the terms GOP/Republican and Conservatism are a political oxymoron IMO. They shouldn't be but unfortunately they are because the GOP cowardly leadership gives into the Majority Marxist Media demagoguing of Conservative social values in our culture and why they the GOP have NO TEETH to differentiate themselves from their opposition. And this is why they can't offer up any legit candidates. Thus "We The People" get frustrated and critical of the party. Other than Bush I when did a moderate REPUB or RINO win an election ?? And Bush I won on the coattails of Reagan Conservatism, don't kid yourself. Bush II finally showed his RINO colors in his 2nd term. Keep throwing up the Doles, the McCains, the Romney type candidates and you will keep pissing off the silent conservative majority and they stay home and the GOP continues to lose elections. RINOism wins NOTHING and why you say the GOP is dead as a mackerel.

Your take on Cruz is correct and your political theories are accurate but not because he supports conservative social values but because the GOP and part of our culture has bought into the demagoguing of any candidate that supports as such is not good. I happen to believe that there is a huge voting block waiting for that "TRUE Christie type of FU in your face type of demeanor that really is a true conservative not only fiscally but especially on social issues that can't wait to get the voting booths.

Culturally why is Duck Dynasty so massively popular and why did Phil win his position with A/E ?? $$ you say ? On the surface yes, but deeper reading between the lines it is because social conservatives who are the real majority in this country IMO spoke up and said FU to A/E and conservatism WINS once AGAIN !! It wasn't just $$ here.

Differentiate yourself from your opposition and truly identify with the majority of social conservatives then you win the election !!

What did Jesus say about lukewarm so-called saints ? He would spew them out of his mouth. And that is exactly what "We The People" are doing with these Conservative pretending RINOs, we are spewing them away and are frustrated to no end in sight.
We are not that far apart. I just can't believe we can stand on a principle that is that far right and that much based on phony social issues the liberals cook up that make the right look like nut bags.
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We are not that far apart. I just can't believe we can stand on a principle that is that far right and that much based on phony social issues the liberals cook up that make the right look like nut bags.
It's the GOP leadership that won't allow for conservative social values to be a part of the platform let alone a real conservative candidate to represent. It's not the public doing this but the GOP and the media that want you to believe this silly notion that a conservative social candidate can't win. Don't buy into it because IMHO they can !! Your phrase "cook up" is what I call Alinskyizing. And the GOP,Dems and Press 'always Alinskyize' any social conservative candidates and or issues. Look at how quickly McCain and crew turned on the Tea Party. Hell Rubio and Ryan for that matter.

On the surface you are correct HCF. But often the surface never gives you the accurate real perspective underneath. Imagine an iceberg. The GOP,Dems and press want you to believe that all that there is and all that matters is the tip of the iceberg(most people are liberal-false IMO). They don't want that massive monstrosity of the hidden part of the iceberg(We the People-mostly conservatives) to be known let alone call the shots as to how and and what direction this iceberg floats. Just remember when I hear 'far right' that is good not bad

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I shudder at the fact you don't shudder at what Obama has done to this country in the last 5 yrs and that you probably voted for him 2x.
I missed the part where either of us mentioned Obama at all.

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I didn't say IT was the only contributing factor BUT you can trace it back to the liberal cultural assault on Judeo/Christian conservative values of the American family and it's continual breakdown.
You said "What do you see today going on in our country and all it's problems? It all can be traced to the breakdown of the Judeo/Christian family in this country in the last 50yrs." (Emphasis mine.)

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Ridiculous? Yes, let's do talk. Civil Rights is the only legislation that was justified out of your list here for obvious reasons. And did you know if it hadn't been for Repubs it would have failed to pass and the same for Medicare. Many Dems did NOT want these bills to pass.
Remember that there's a difference between liberals and Democrats. Celler, a Democrat, tried to freeze it in committee, but he was an old-school southern Dixiecrat; not what I would call a liberal at all. The other two prominent Democrats who stood in its way were Robert Byrd, another Southerner who later said he regretted his stance at the time, and Strom Thurmond, who definitely can't be called a liberal.

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Clean Water Act-just another way to overregulate and tax allowing for whacko environmentalism. FMLA, Pell grants, higher education reform,student loan and credit card reform just more programs that were created to overwhelm the system and create dependency on the govt. Thus once again where over regulation and higher taxes are always so called 'justified' because we have created a society of dependents who think Fed Govt owes them an education and a living and it better not be difficult in their eyes. Public broadcasting ? Seriously ? Just spewing Marxism at every turn and anti-American themes. Just another propaganda arm for the Marxist Dems. As you said, the list goes on and I agree because it never stops with the dependent entitlement programs.
If you seriously think we'd be better off without safety, education, clean water, financial protection, and Sesame Street, because you think they make us slaves to The Man, then I don't know what to say to you.

And the Family Medical Leave Act? Didn't you just finish writing a diatribe on how the nuclear family was the basic building block of this great nation? Backbone and sacred fabric and so on? The FMLA allows husbands to be with their wives during childbirth, and parents to be with their cancer-stricken child during chemo, without losing their jobs. That's what it does. That's all it does. How does that not support the family?

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Thanks to Repubs once again. Study your political history
Oh, yeah, I'll get right on that. I sure don't know my political history.

The Republican party isn't the same as it was twenty years ago, let alone 150. It was created to oppose slavery and secession, which aren't exactly driving social issues these days. The Democrats aren't anywhere near the same either, by the way; both parties have so drastically altered themselves several times over since then that you might as well be talking about Whigs and Federalists at this point.
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There needs to be something substantive to respond to--yours are generally just unhinged rants about Marxists and "liberal culture."
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Ridiculous? Yes, let's do talk. Civil Rights is the only legislation that was justified out of your list here for obvious reasons. And did you know if it hadn't been for Repubs it would have failed to pass and the same for Medicare. Many Dems did NOT want these bills to pass.
Yeah, they were racists known as Dixiecrats and they left the party and formed the base of the R party for the next 30 years.
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Yeah, they were racists known as Dixiecrats and they left the party and formed the base of the R party for the next 30 years.
Yeaaaaah Right !
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