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View Poll Results: How do you view yourself politically?
I am usually both fiscally and socially conservative. 20 36.36%
I am usually fiscally conservative but socially liberal. 31 56.36%
I am usually both fiscally and socially liberal. 4 7.27%
I am usually fiscally liberal but socially conservative. 0 0%
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:36 AM  
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:41 AM   #2
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No choice for "always right"?
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:57 PM   #3
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After 5 votes, we can already see why our nation is in the state it's currently in...4 votes for economically conservative and socially liberal, and PB by himself as a pure-bred conservative.

This ain't rocket science, but I don't think most people understand that, in the end, it's really pretty simple.

Many of us DO consider ourselves economically conservative, but socially liberal. Therein lies a big problem--a huge disconnect. Conservatives aren't right about much these days, but on this one (and a couple of others) they have it figured out: as a nation, we are not willing to PAY for that which most of us, it would seem, want--demand from our government.

Unless Americans wants to bankrupt their country, they are faced with an imminent and very serious dilemma about how to address that quandary. There are basically three choices:

1. We mostly cut spending, leaving the government to take on only the most essential of its functions and services.
2. We mostly increase revenues (through taxes, and perhaps other revenue enhancing measures,) so we can at least maintain our currents programs and services.
3. We can both cut spending, and increase revenues, to attempt to minimize both tax hikes and reductions in current services.

Choice number one is passionately advocated by staunch conservatives, and especially Tea Party types, of the GOP. Meanwhile, position number two is pushed fervently by the ideological liberals, and especially the Moon Bat types, of the Democratic party. Unfortunately, our political system has become a polarized and dysfunctional family that is dominated, in terms of action and policy, by the lunatic fringes of their respective party. Unless both parties tune-out their fringe elements, and ignore the loud, obnoxious, and ignorant uncle at the family gathering, American will remain a polarized and dysfunctional family headed for bankruptcy.

The question becomes, if and when the adults will the family decide they have had enough--and restore sanity, civility, and sensible solutions to avoid that.

The 20th Century was one helluva a party, and we've continued to party with champagne on a beer budget. Now that we have to pay the check, everyone is looking for everyone else to pay the bill. The problem is this is a bill that none of us can afford to pay by ourselves--it's gonna require sacrifice from everybody.
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:09 PM   #4
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FTR, political scientists consider social liberals to include a viable government safety net--not just advocating for choice, weed, gay marriage, and smaller less intrusive government.
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:10 PM   #5
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:49 PM   #6
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:52 PM   #7
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These categories aren't that useful because they will mean wildly different things to different people.
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:18 PM   #9
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:32 PM   #10
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These categories aren't that useful because they will mean wildly different things to different people.
There definitely needs to be a neocon option.
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After 5 votes, we can already see why our nation is in the state it's currently in...4 votes for economically conservative and socially liberal, and PB by himself as a pure-bred conservative.

This ain't rocket science, but I don't think most people understand that, in the end, it's really pretty simple.

Many of us DO consider ourselves economically conservative, but socially liberal. Therein lies a big problem--a huge disconnect. Conservatives aren't right about much these days, but on this one (and a couple of others) they have it figured out: as a nation, we are not willing to PAY for that which most of us, it would seem, want--demand from our government.

Unless Americans wants to bankrupt their country, they are faced with an imminent and very serious dilemma about how to address that quandary. There are basically three choices:

1. We mostly cut spending, leaving the government to take on only the most essential of its functions and services.
2. We mostly increase revenues (through taxes, and perhaps other revenue enhancing measures,) so we can at least maintain our currents programs and services.
3. We can both cut spending, and increase revenues, to attempt to minimize both tax hikes and reductions in current services.

Choice number one is passionately advocated by staunch conservatives, and especially Tea Party types, of the GOP. Meanwhile, position number two is pushed fervently by the ideological liberals, and especially the Moon Bat types, of the Democratic party. Unfortunately, our political system has become a polarized and dysfunctional family that is dominated, in terms of action and policy, by the lunatic fringes of their respective party. Unless both parties tune-out their fringe elements, and ignore the loud, obnoxious, and ignorant uncle at the family gathering, American will remain a polarized and dysfunctional family headed for bankruptcy.

The question becomes, if and when the adults will the family decide they have had enough--and restore sanity, civility, and sensible solutions to avoid that.

The 20th Century was one helluva a party, and we've continued to party with champagne on a beer budget. Now that we have to pay the check, everyone is looking for everyone else to pay the bill. The problem is this is a bill that none of us can afford to pay by ourselves--it's gonna require sacrifice from everybody.

Every time number 3 has been tried we ended up with higher taxes but no cuts in spending.

Number 1 is the only sure fire way to get government spending under control.
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I think we need to be clear that when we're saying "socially liberal" we are talking about moral issues. It's a bit of an oxymoron to say a fiscal conservative is also a socialist.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:20 AM   #15
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