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View Poll Results: How do you view yourself politically?
I am usually both fiscally and socially conservative. 20 36.36%
I am usually fiscally conservative but socially liberal. 31 56.36%
I am usually both fiscally and socially liberal. 4 7.27%
I am usually fiscally liberal but socially conservative. 0 0%
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:36 AM  
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:42 AM   #17
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:44 AM   #18
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I'm not going to vote because I don't think any of the responses reflect my positions, but I'll sum it up here.

In financial matters, I tend to lean toward the liberal; I think in order to improve/repair our economy, history tells me we need to invest rather than cut back. I understand that this means we may have to raise taxes, which means both corporations and people (myself included) would lose money, which sucks.

Also, the vast majority of welfare recipients are not lazy hucksters living large on free government cheese, and yet entitlement programs are routinely demonized as free-money programs. The measure of a society is how well it takes care of those who need help, and to advocate shutting down entitlement programs to save a few bucks in taxes is borderline inhuman.

Also, the income gap isn't just liberal hype. The super-rich have somehow convinced an awful lot of non-super-rich that the secret to national prosperity is to cut more breaks to the super-rich, and until those convinced folks knock it off and agree to some equalization of the income levels, our increasing widening of the gap is absolutely going to end in either financial collapse, or violent revolution, or both.

With social issues, it's hard to lump them all under one umbrella. With gun control, my beliefs line up more with the liberals, although not as vehemently as they used to be, and with the acknowledgment that liberal gun control plans are often entirely stupid. With abortion, my beliefs line up so much with the conservatives that I actively avoid talking about it with my liberal family or friends, just for placidity's sake. I refuse, however, to classify myself as Pro-Gun, Pro-Gun-Control, Pro-Life, or Pro-Choice, because I'm thoroughly disgusted by all of those organizations.

I believe strongly in the separation of church and state, that gay rights are civil rights, and that civil rights are paramount. No teacher or regulation can raise a child better than the kid's own parents can, but the kid's own parents need to step up and take the responsibility; I also think that generally speaking, being raised in a loving, two-parent home is the best. Also, education is the key to everything, and we should make it available to everyone who seriously wants to pursue it, and nothing is dragging this country down more than anti-intellectualism and the denial of long-ago-proven scientific fact.

Foreign Policy isn't in the poll, but it's the area where I'm the most traditionally conservative. I think we should be more choosy about who are friends are and who they aren't. I'm anti-war in general, instead believing we should rely on our significant economic strength, but realize that war is necessary sometimes.

That's about it. It's not very easy to squash into a one-line summary.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:31 AM   #19
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I'm not going to vote because I don't think any of the responses reflect my positions, but I'll sum it up here.

In financial matters, I tend to lean toward the liberal; I think in order to improve/repair our economy, history tells me we need to invest rather than cut back. I understand that this means we may have to raise taxes, which means both corporations and people (myself included) would lose money, which sucks.

Also, the vast majority of welfare recipients are not lazy hucksters living large on free government cheese, and yet entitlement programs are routinely demonized as free-money programs. The measure of a society is how well it takes care of those who need help, and to advocate shutting down entitlement programs to save a few bucks in taxes is borderline inhuman.

Also, the income gap isn't just liberal hype. The super-rich have somehow convinced an awful lot of non-super-rich that the secret to national prosperity is to cut more breaks to the super-rich, and until those convinced folks knock it off and agree to some equalization of the income levels, our increasing widening of the gap is absolutely going to end in either financial collapse, or violent revolution, or both.

With social issues, it's hard to lump them all under one umbrella. With gun control, my beliefs line up more with the liberals, although not as vehemently as they used to be, and with the acknowledgment that liberal gun control plans are often entirely stupid. With abortion, my beliefs line up so much with the conservatives that I actively avoid talking about it with my liberal family or friends, just for placidity's sake. I refuse, however, to classify myself as Pro-Gun, Pro-Gun-Control, Pro-Life, or Pro-Choice, because I'm thoroughly disgusted by all of those organizations.

I believe strongly in the separation of church and state, that gay rights are civil rights, and that civil rights are paramount. No teacher or regulation can raise a child better than the kid's own parents can, but the kid's own parents need to step up and take the responsibility; I also think that generally speaking, being raised in a loving, two-parent home is the best. Also, education is the key to everything, and we should make it available to everyone who seriously wants to pursue it, and nothing is dragging this country down more than anti-intellectualism and the denial of long-ago-proven scientific fact.

Foreign Policy isn't in the poll, but it's the area where I'm the most traditionally conservative. I think we should be more choosy about who are friends are and who they aren't. I'm anti-war in general, instead believing we should rely on our significant economic strength, but realize that war is necessary sometimes.

That's about it. It's not very easy to squash into a one-line summary.
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Old 01-12-2014, 01:21 PM   #21
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I'm not going to vote because I don't think any of the responses reflect my positions, but I'll sum it up here.

In financial matters, I tend to lean toward the liberal; I think in order to improve/repair our economy, history tells me we need to invest rather than cut back. I understand that this means we may have to raise taxes, which means both corporations and people (myself included) would lose money, which sucks.

Also, the vast majority of welfare recipients are not lazy hucksters living large on free government cheese, and yet entitlement programs are routinely demonized as free-money programs. The measure of a society is how well it takes care of those who need help, and to advocate shutting down entitlement programs to save a few bucks in taxes is borderline inhuman.

Also, the income gap isn't just liberal hype. The super-rich have somehow convinced an awful lot of non-super-rich that the secret to national prosperity is to cut more breaks to the super-rich, and until those convinced folks knock it off and agree to some equalization of the income levels, our increasing widening of the gap is absolutely going to end in either financial collapse, or violent revolution, or both.

With social issues, it's hard to lump them all under one umbrella. With gun control, my beliefs line up more with the liberals, although not as vehemently as they used to be, and with the acknowledgment that liberal gun control plans are often entirely stupid. With abortion, my beliefs line up so much with the conservatives that I actively avoid talking about it with my liberal family or friends, just for placidity's sake. I refuse, however, to classify myself as Pro-Gun, Pro-Gun-Control, Pro-Life, or Pro-Choice, because I'm thoroughly disgusted by all of those organizations.

I believe strongly in the separation of church and state, that gay rights are civil rights, and that civil rights are paramount. No teacher or regulation can raise a child better than the kid's own parents can, but the kid's own parents need to step up and take the responsibility; I also think that generally speaking, being raised in a loving, two-parent home is the best. Also, education is the key to everything, and we should make it available to everyone who seriously wants to pursue it, and nothing is dragging this country down more than anti-intellectualism and the denial of long-ago-proven scientific fact.

Foreign Policy isn't in the poll, but it's the area where I'm the most traditionally conservative. I think we should be more choosy about who are friends are and who they aren't. I'm anti-war in general, instead believing we should rely on our significant economic strength, but realize that war is necessary sometimes.

That's about it. It's not very easy to squash into a one-line summary.
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I think that the facts generally bear out favorably towards economic liberalism, so that's the way I generally swing.

I'm proudly liberal on social issues.
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I think that the facts generally bear out favorably towards economic liberalism, so that's the way I generally swing.

I'm proudly liberal on social issues.
Economic liberalism has been an epic fail everywhere it's been tried. Our economy would be rocking if it wasn't infected with rampant liberalism from the failed "War on poverty"
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Usually fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but I firmly believe that abortion is nothing but legally acceptable murder.
Good call.

Fiscally and socially conservative here.

I believe in God, that abortion is murder, gay people should be extended the right to marry like anyone else, gun rights, limited government and above all, personal responsibility. Which I believe is sorely lacking in this country today.

It's like my dad says, "no one has any common sense anymore".
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Old 01-12-2014, 04:16 PM   #25
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Good call.

Fiscally and socially conservative here.

I believe in God, that abortion is murder, gay people should be extended the right to marry like anyone else, gun rights, limited government and above all, personal responsibility. Which I believe is sorely lacking in this country today.

It's like my dad says, "no one has any common sense anymore".
Social conservative means you want the government to legislate morality. You are for things like prohibition on drugs, prostitution, and gambling. You are against abortion and gay marriage.

Note, you don't have to be for all those things to be socially conservative, just the majority.

Basically, to lay it down easily.

Fiscally is how and how much the government spends money. The more conservative the more you want government to spend less in general.

Socially is how much you want government to legislate peoples private business. The more conservative you are the more you want morality legislated through the government.
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Good call.

Fiscally and socially conservative here.

I believe in God, that abortion is murder, gay people should be extended the right to marry like anyone else, gun rights, limited government and above all, personal responsibility. Which I believe is sorely lacking in this country today.
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Fiscally is how and how much the government spends money. The more conservative the more you want government to spend less in general more on the things you approve of.

Socially is how much you want government to legislate peoples private business. The more conservative you are the more you want morality legislated through the government.
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Considering I want less of everything. Defense, Foreign Aid, Social programs, regulatory, police, etc. Your correction is a little off.

Really, the only department I can think of that I would give more money to is Immigration and that would be for the specific purpose of approving people to immigrate here faster.
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