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Old 01-11-2014, 01:54 PM  
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:13 PM   #2
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Logic FAIL at :18, stopped watching after that.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:51 PM   #3
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I have listened to him speak and watched Christopher Hitchens hand him is ass in a debate. He is a gifted speaker and a popular Christian apologist. He much like William Lane Craig, Dinesh D'Souza and others like them offer nothing new to the discussion. I give Turek credit as he is more willing to offer his argument from a theism stance. Most of the rest only enter the arena of discussion from the deist stance~
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:51 PM   #4
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I have listened to him speak and watched Christopher Hitchens hand him is ass in a debate. He is a gifted speaker and a popular Christian apologist. He much like William Lane Craig, Dinesh D'Souza and others like them offer nothing new to the discussion. I give Turek credit as he is more willing to offer his argument from a theism stance. Most of the rest only enter the arena of discussion from the deist stance~
I saw the same debate and did not see what you saw I saw Hitchens avoid Turek's questions over and over with that snub English insecure demeanor.

Here watch John Lennox hand Hitchens his ass

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Old 01-11-2014, 05:59 PM   #5
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:04 PM   #6
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I saw the same debate and did not see what you saw I saw Hitchens avoid Turek's questions over and over with that snub English insecure demeanor.

Here watch John Lennox hand Hitchens his ass

I have watched that debate also. Believe as you wish and people like me will be grateful we live in a free country and one that prevents people like you from forcing your beliefs upon everyone. I have no idea which of the over 33,000 versions of Christianity you follow. I would fancy a wager you would be thrilled with a country full of white protestants of the Calvinist variety~
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:13 PM   #7
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Yeah, bad logic. There is a third option: There was something there before the big bang i.e. Big Crunch theory.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:29 PM   #8
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Why is it people feel compelled to have to convince other people to believe in God? I mean seriously I don't get it. If it is supposed to be your "faith" why is it so important to get validation from others who don't agree with your beliefs? Do other religions do this? I have never heard of it. Maybe they just kill each other instead?
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:01 PM   #9
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and one that prevents people like you from forcing your beliefs upon everyone. I have no idea which of the over 33,000 versions of Christianity you follow. I would fancy a wager you would be thrilled with a country full of white protestants of the Calvinist variety~
Oh my goodness.
Don't take it personal RNR that I had a difference of opinion from you. But whether you realize it or not your anti-theistic view is a religion. A religion that killed over 100 million in just the 20th Century alone in Communism. Now I'm not saying you are Communist obviously but this is what happens to societies who purposely deny and keep God(a la Christianity) out of there culture and follow false religions such as Islam or Secular Humanism-no god. And you think your belief system is not being forced on us in our nation now ??? It's called Marxism dressed up in the term Progressivism and "political correctness is the train to move it along Now again I'm not saying you personally are a Progressive but I'm just sayin in general.

Now come at me with the Crusades ya da yada yada... because quite frankly if Muslims were destroying my church and trying to destroy my faith(as they are still trying to do today) I would defend my family and church as well contrary to what progressive liberal revisionist world historians attempt to have you believe. Making any religion the official religion of a nation is idiotic for obvious reasons. BTW, Christianity is not a religion. All religions aside from secular humanism/materialist are based on works by man to get himself into heaven. Christianity clearly states that man can do no works to get himself into heaven. And I'm sure you know the rest of the Gospel that has been given to you many times that you continually reject correct ?? Have you heard the Gospel ?

Bottom line: You have to decide who Jesus really was and still is by the end of your life of which you do not know when you will expire. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by ME. Notice he said "THE" and not 'some' or 'a', He said "THE". No other options. Was he a lunatic,liar or the redeeming Savior of the world pure and simple. Factual evidence does not point to the first two that's for sure. Maybe you have already decided this or are you still are agnostic ?

What say you my Hitchens admirer ?
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:09 PM   #10
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from forcing your beliefs upon everyone. I have no idea which of the over 33,000 versions of Christianity you follow.
there's that same tired line of BS again. ...no one can FORCE their beliefs on you dude..give it a REST....you can't go a week without it tormenting you.

33k variations? what does that tell you? why is it only Christ's word that has to be messed with so many times? you think it says soemthing bad....


give you a hint ..it's not to make it easier to understand.
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there's that same tired line of BS again. ...no one can FORCE their beliefs on you dude..give it a REST....you can't go a week without it tormenting you.
Precisely
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Why is it people feel compelled to have to convince other people to believe in God? I mean seriously I don't get it. If it is supposed to be your "faith" why is it so important to get validation from others who don't agree with your beliefs? Do other religions do this? I have never heard of it. Maybe they just kill each other instead?
Obviously you have not heard the Gospel?
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:25 PM   #13
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there's that same tired line of BS again. ...no one can FORCE their beliefs on you dude..give it a REST....you can't go a week without it tormenting you.

33k variations? what does that tell you? why is it only Christ's word that has to be messed with so many times? you think it says soemthing bad....


give you a hint ..it's not to make it easier to understand.
And here is your tired line of bullshit again. Review the OP to answer your question. Did I start the thread? If someone posts a thread about another belief I will address it~
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And here is your tired line of bullshit again. Review the OP to answer your question. Did I start the thread? If someone posts a thread about another belief I will address it~
33k! 33k! stop forcing your beliefs on me!
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:35 PM   #15
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there's that same tired line of BS again. ...no one can FORCE their beliefs on you dude..give it a REST....you can't go a week without it tormenting you.

33k variations? what does that tell you? why is it only Christ's word that has to be messed with so many times? you think it says soemthing bad....


give you a hint ..it's not to make it easier to understand.

Hate to burst your bubble but every religion has multiple variations. Christianity is not alone in that at all.
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