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Old 01-11-2014, 02:54 PM  
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:16 PM   #31
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I think the Bible (New Testament) tells them they have to.

True, ultimately the decision is upon each one of us, Christians are not perfect by any stretch to use as a yardstick everyone has flaws.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:18 PM   #32
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Hitchens knows the truth now I hope he enjoys the afterlife.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:49 AM   #33
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I can easly show. that the Bible is supernaturally written.
Do it then
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:55 AM   #34
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Yes, I'd like to see that proof as well.

Unfortunately, I suspect that his "proof" will be "it says so in the Bible", along with a statement along the lines of "the beauty and majesty of creation is self-evident proof that God created it".
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:20 AM   #35
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Oh my goodness.
Don't take it personal RNR that I had a difference of opinion from you. But whether you realize it or not your anti-theistic view is a religion.
Not really. Religion by definition is belief in a god. But it's not really important whether it's a religion or not. Obviously some people are passionately athestic, which makes them just as preachy as a religious person about their won beliefs.

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A religion that killed over 100 million in just the 20th Century alone in Communism. Now I'm not saying you are Communist obviously but this is what happens to societies who purposely deny and keep God(a la Christianity) out of there culture and follow false religions such as Islam or Secular Humanism-no god.
Communism is an economic system. It does not require believing in any particular god, or not believing in god. Just because the USSR chose to implement atheism as their formal doctrine alongside Communism doesn't make atheism responsible for the crimes Communism committed any more than the many murders committed by La Cosa Nostra over the years were the fault of the Catholic church to which all (or substantially all) of its members belonged.

And you think your belief system is not being forced on us in our nation now ??? It's called Marxism dressed up in the term Progressivism and "political correctness is the train to move it along Now again I'm not saying you personally are a Progressive but I'm just sayin in general.[/quote]

You're confused. Very, very confused. You seem to want to slap a bunch of inflammatory labels on things and mixed them all up in one giant bucket of "BAD". Sorry, that doesn't fly.

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Now come at me with the Crusades ya da yada yada... because quite frankly if Muslims were destroying my church and trying to destroy my faith(as they are still trying to do today) I would defend my family and church as well contrary to what progressive liberal revisionist world historians attempt to have you believe.
Can you explain the Crusade that ended up sacking Christian Constantinople?

Religion is often a gloss used by people who crave secular power to dress up their effort to acquire more land or power as something that is justifiable or even morally correct in some way. That doesn't make the religion bad, per se, it's just being used as a cover story.

"Kill the infidels" is often (though not always) nothing more than a justification to get the idiot masses in line to support the ruler's war effort.

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Making any religion the official religion of a nation is idiotic for obvious reasons.
Many highly developed countries have an official religion, including England, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Israel. And now you can't say you haven't learned anything today.

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BTW, Christianity is not a religion.
Many insults come to mind, but I'll leave it at: "you're wrong"
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:24 AM   #36
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oh and yet, here you are only going after Christianity.
If anyone here was a faithful adherent of any other religion, I'm sure he'd hear it. Unless he was Tibetan Buddhist. They've got it tough enough already.

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I can easly show. that the Bible is supernaturally written.
That's pretty hard core. I'm not even sure how many Christian sects believe that.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:19 AM   #37
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It would be quite a hoot to see him try and give that same speech to an audience of educated people. What a mess of fallacy....
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:43 AM   #38
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Not really. Religion by definition is belief in a god. But it's not really important whether it's a religion or not. Obviously some people are passionately athestic, which makes them just as preachy as a religious person about their won beliefs.
This is a very common argument offered by people of faith. He is simply wrong. I do not identify myself as an atheist. I do borrow the term agnostic. I have read the books and spent considerable time studying this subject. I have found nothing in these writings that convinces me. I also see no evidence proving there is not a god. I answer honestly saying I don’t know.

The age old question "did god create man or did man create several gods?" After looking into this subject I feel strongly that all of these religions have man written all over them. I have no problem with someone stating their personal faith is why they believe what they believe. When they have the unwarranted arrogance to claim their beliefs as fact I speak up. My belief in not a religion it is a conclusion derived with much thought and research~
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Old 01-13-2014, 12:10 PM   #39
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Old 01-13-2014, 12:19 PM   #40
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I watch / listen to these type of videos all the time. Normally listening with my headphones while working in the shop or yard~
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:40 PM   #41
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So if the answer is no. 2 that "Someone created something out of nothing", and I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that "Someone" you say is God, then who created God?
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:43 PM   #42
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So if the answer is no. 2 that "Someone created something out of nothing", and I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that "Someone" you say is God, then who created God?
It is the endless regression this argument leads to~
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I can easly show. that the Bible is supernaturally written.
We're still waiting.....
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:29 PM   #44
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Logic FAIL at :18, stopped watching after that.
Are you aware that the so-called logic fail you mention dates back to Aristotle's Physics (Book VII and VIII to be precise). Aristotle considered motion to be eternal, but that there must be some kind of un-moved mover that is entirely unmoved itself to serve as a cause for all motion. If you don't have some "first" motion (first in priorty, NOT in time--it is possible for things to go back into infinity in time, but not simultaneously) then you have a simultaneous infinite regress of moved movers and THAT is a logical impossibility. Therefore, there must be some kind of first unmoved mover that is the source of all motion.

St. Thomas Aquinas came along a couple of thousand years later and replaced the notion of being for motion to argue that there must be some being that is uncaused and that gives that being to all other things in existence otherwise you wind up with an infinite regress of caused causes and no way to escape the causal series.

Now, both of these variations of this basic argument for the existence of God are logically sound. However, one must carefully establish the truth of every proposition in the argument for the argument to be wholly successful...and that is where most have problems with this kind of argumentation (myself included--I can accept the basic logic of the argument, but not necessarily the truth of every proposition in the argument).

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