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Old 01-11-2014, 01:54 PM  
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Old 01-18-2014, 07:52 AM   #106
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And once again as stated before in this thread we find ourselves faced with the endless regression. Which will be answered the same from the other side. We don't understand it so lets stop looking for plausible solutions it must be god. Then once this concession is allowed the conversation turns to the god they believe in. None of this has any reasonable evidence but that is where the conversation leads without fail~
Agreed for both sides. The believers will go that route, the non-believers will be content to say the universe has just always been there, no need for a god.

There is much reasonable evidence, please don't be so condescending. Evidence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder apparently. I see it all over the place, you don't. Your conclusion...I must be nutty. My conclusion...you must be nutty.

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Old 01-18-2014, 08:11 AM   #107
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Agreed for both sides. The believers will go that route, the non-believers will be content to say the universe has just always been there, no need for a god.

There is much reasonable evidence, please don't be so condescending. Evidence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder apparently. I see it all over the place, you don't. Your conclusion...I must be nutty. My conclusion...you must be nutty.

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Old 01-18-2014, 10:06 AM   #108
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Here's what we KNOW.

Everything that exists in nature that we previously thought had supernatural origins, from the rain to earthquakes to humans and on and on, we've eventually found out that the supernatural parts of our explanations were all superstition and simple minded fables. The common denominator seems to be that when humans don't have all the answers, instead of saying "We aren't smart enough yet to figure this out" we assume that it's magic.
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:15 AM   #109
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So has stevie's dumb ass proven the bible is supernaturally written yet?
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:32 AM   #110
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Because I believe that there is design in the universe, therefore a designer. The universe is not an intelligent being, it can't design itself or anything in it. Now, if you don't believe that there is design in the universe, that it's all just a random amazing accident, then it's quite easy to believe that the universe just IS.

I can't wrap myself around the idea that it all just works so perfectly by a huge astronomical accident.
of course it didn't......God's design is everywhere..called the golden ratio, milky way, sunflower, pinecone, shells...etc.

it's not mathematically possible to explain what cells are and what they do..our creation is not random, nor did it happen by chance.
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:51 AM   #111
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of course it didn't......God's design is everywhere..called the golden ratio, milky way, sunflower, pinecone, shells...etc.

it's not mathematically possible to explain what cells are and what they do..our creation is not random, nor did it happen by chance.
Of course it is mathematically possible to explain what cells are and what they do. It's called biological mathematics.
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:58 AM   #112
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Of course it is mathematically possible to explain what cells are and what they do. It's called biological mathematics.
it's not mathematically possible to be random, or by chance.

sorry for the confusion.
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Old 01-18-2014, 12:51 PM   #113
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oh and yet, here you are only going after Christianity.

the only reason you call it simple hunam fantasy is so you can dismiss on a human whim.

I can easly show. that the Bible is supernaturally written.
Sorry bro but I have to take you to task on this one. Had you said it is easy for me to believe or just I believe I would have no issue. Also are you referring to the original Greek transcripts?
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:54 PM   #114
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Sorry bro but I have to take you to task on this one. Had you said it is easy for me to believe or just I believe I would have no issue. Also are you referring to the original Greek transcripts?
you're gonna need a pen and paper...got a challenge for you...you get to try to write something on par with just one book of the Bible.

you want to take me to task? ok! you accept this task?


..and sure, we can go wth Greek..very rigid , precise language.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:01 PM   #115
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you're gonna need a pen and paper...got a challenge for you...you get to try to write something on par with just one book of the Bible.

you want to take me to task? ok! you accept this task?


..and sure, we can go wth Greek..very rigid , precise language.
He probably can't write a chemistry textbook either, fwiw.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:04 PM   #116
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He probably can't write a chemistry textbook either, fwiw.
this isn't about him, although I'm confident he could, with the right knowledge..
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you're gonna need a pen and paper...got a challenge for you...you get to try to write something on par with just one book of the Bible.

you want to take me to task? ok! you accept this task?


..and sure, we can go wth Greek..very rigid , precise language.
Oh oh. Do I get to write a Mary Sue like God who does absolutely horrible things to people but still has people worship him?
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you're gonna need a pen and paper...got a challenge for you...you get to try to write something on par with just one book of the Bible.

you want to take me to task? ok! you accept this task?


..and sure, we can go wth Greek..very rigid , precise language.
You said you can easily prove it was supernaturally written. What in the world does my limited writing ability have to do with this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I am not looking to argue. You made a claim you not only can prove something no one has ever been able to prove also claiming you could do it easily. The burden is on you not me bro~
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you're gonna need a pen and paper...got a challenge for you...you get to try to write something on par with just one book of the Bible.

you want to take me to task? ok! you accept this task?


..and sure, we can go wth Greek..very rigid , precise language.
By what standard of "good" are you asking us to adhere to? I mean, I think everything I've ever written is much more moral than half the books in the bible. They kinda glorify rape and murder and sexism, the giddy destruction of civilizations, human sacrifice, blind obedience to authority, homosexual hatred, magic wish thinking, scape goating, children as property, slavery, capital punishment, racism, wishing and praying for other people to die, only to have God do it for you through the use of a bear... Etc...
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:11 PM   #120
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You said you can easily prove it was supernaturally written. What in the world does my limited writing ability have to do with this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I am not looking to argue. You made a claim you not only can prove something no one has ever been able to prove also claiming you could do it easily. The burden is on you not me bro~
simple yes or no question dude...you've called the writers sheepherders, I claim it's supernaturally written..

don't wuss out now.
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