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Old 01-13-2014, 06:31 PM  
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Fullerton Police Officers beat schizophrenic man to death found Not Guilty

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...#axzz2qKLchle4


By Adolfo Flores and Paloma Esquivel

January 13, 2014, 4:12 p.m.

An Orange County jury Monday found two former Fullerton police officers accused of killing a schizophrenic homeless man, Kelly Thomas, not guilty.

Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli were charged with striking Kelly Thomas with a baton and a stun gun in a beating that left him comatose. He died five days later.

[Updated at 4:12 p.m.: Ramos, Cicinelli and their families were swiftly escorted out of the courtroom.

Ron Thomas, Kelly Thomas' father, said he was stunned by the verdict, saying he'd never seen such a miscarriage of justice.]

The jury took less than a full day of deliberation to reach the not-guilty verdicts.

Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas told jurors the former officers had abused their authority on the July evening when they confronted Thomas.

Ramos was facing second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges, and Cicinelli was charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force under the color of authority.

The incident, captured on surveillance tape, was shown repeatedly during the trial, but each side drew different conclusions as to what it showed.

Prosecutors said the video captured a real-time homicide with the officers beating a homeless man, even as he called out for help. Defense attorneys said it showed two policeman trying to restrain a violent suspect who possessed abnormal strength.

The coroner's office determined that Thomas died of brain damage from lack of oxygen caused by chest compression and other injuries sustained during his struggle with police.

Defense attorneys suggested that Thomas' death could be tied to a diseased heart damaged by previous drug use.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...#ixzz2qKSuVcj0

So before it get's too lost, you should go look at the pictures of this man after they were done with him. These cops murdered him.
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Old 01-14-2014, 04:31 PM   #46
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He's still your son.
Having him call for me in his darkest hour would have ripped my heart out. If he was truly bi-polar or whatever, he likely could have been helped, but some of these people refuse to take the medication. A friend of mine lost his bi-polar son to depression a week before Christmas despite their efforts to save him; hung himself and he was only 20.
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Old 01-14-2014, 05:26 PM   #47
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Well if your son is a homeless drug addict I would think you have already failed as a father so why not take it one step further.
There comes a point when a father has done all he can.
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Old 01-14-2014, 05:59 PM   #48
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On Sunday night, My wife and I saw two dogs from the neighborhood trot up to us while we were taking out the trash. We petted, them and showed we were 'friend of dog', put them on our dogs' leashes and tried to find the owner. His number was on their tags, but we couldn't get ahold of them.

So we basically walked around the block, knocking/ringing doorbells of homes with lights on/porch lights on etc. We finally found a neighborhood guy who knows everyone and recognized their names, and knew who their owner was. So we head to the owners house (who also wasn't home). We're standing on his front lawn with the dogs on leashes etc trying to call the owner.

A Lenexa cop rolls up with his partner, and said he had a call of two people 'looking into windows of houses" (LOL). Asked for my wife's ID and I said 'You don' t have to give it to him". He then asks for mine, and I said I didn't have it on me and that if I did, I wouldn't give it to him. He asked for my name, and I didn't give that to him either. I told him where I lived, which was about 10 houses up the road.

We told him the situation, and that we certainly were not 'looking into windows of houses". I told him to run the name on the address in the yard we were standing and told him what name he'd find.

He didn't (as far as I could tell), he and his partner (in their 100k SUV I suspect) walked back and told us to have a nice night.

I'm all for cooperating, but not when I haven't done anything wrong.

Im surprised you're still alive. HCF would have had you and your wife beaten to death for failing to cooperate.
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Old 01-14-2014, 06:00 PM   #49
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Having him call for me in his darkest hour would have ripped my heart out. If he was truly bi-polar or whatever, he likely could have been helped, but some of these people refuse to take the medication. A friend of mine lost his bi-polar son to depression a week before Christmas despite their efforts to save him; hung himself and he was only 20.
Its tragic, I can't imagine being the father.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:24 PM   #50
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Having him call for me in his darkest hour would have ripped my heart out. If he was truly bi-polar or whatever, he likely could have been helped, but some of these people refuse to take the medication. A friend of mine lost his bi-polar son to depression a week before Christmas despite their efforts to save him; hung himself and he was only 20.
That would be unbearable~
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:48 PM   #51
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:26 AM   #52
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yeah, super human strength my ass. the guy is outweighed by the first fat ass officer by a good 50 lbs, then there are two other officers? Mmmm, ok. Also, the officers initiate the entire ordeal physically with batons. Thats bs. I thought they learned how to subdue a person without the use of weapons. What a bunch of pussies. I'm normally on the cops side, but congrats coppers, you just got away with murder.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:07 AM   #53
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yeah, super human strength my ass. the guy is outweighed by the first fat ass officer by a good 50 lbs, then there are two other officers? Mmmm, ok. Also, the officers initiate the entire ordeal physically with batons. Thats bs. I thought they learned how to subdue a person without the use of weapons. What a bunch of pussies. I'm normally on the cops side, but congrats coppers, you just got away with murder.
Yep. That was just unacceptable. I read somewhere that the man's toxicology report came back clean. So he wasn't "on something", he was just mentally ill. There's no way those officers couldn't have cuffed him and put him in the back of the police car. That's murder.
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I think we are about 15 years away from executions in public, by police, for any sort of civil disobedience. Resist arrest? shot in head on spot. Say something an officer doesn't like? shot in head, on spot. It's coming. The media will have everyone believing that it will be deserved.
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I think we are about 15 years away from executions in public, by police, for any sort of civil disobedience. Resist arrest? shot in head on spot. Say something an officer doesn't like? shot in head, on spot. It's coming. The media will have everyone believing that it will be deserved.
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I think we are about 15 years away from executions in public, by police, for any sort of civil disobedience. Resist arrest? shot in head on spot. Say something an officer doesn't like? shot in head, on spot. It's coming. The media will have everyone believing that it will be deserved.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:04 PM   #58
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it wasn't that long ago you were hearing about people getting tazed, that's old news now. Now we are hearing about people getting shot dead in similar situations. We are evolving into this, I see it going down this way in the near future. You want to laugh at it, say Im high (I'm not) or a fool, but we are going down this road and when it comes, people will say "well don't talk back to a cop or you won't get shot! those people deserved it!"

I'm not saying it guaranteed to happen, it's a prediction. I can see the probability in it though.

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Sickening! They should be in jail.
at least one cop is being prosecuted for this, which is surprising

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