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Old 01-16-2014, 12:46 AM  
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GOP mulls 32 candidates for president in 2016--so far

GOP mulls 32 candidates for president in 2016--so far

By PAUL BEDARD | JANUARY 15, 2014 AT 5:25 PM
Washington Examiner

If you thought the 13-candidate clogged 2012 Republican presidential primaries were too crowded and confusing, then you might want to skip the 2016 process -- because the Republican Party is suggesting that 32 might be interested in running.

The Republican National Committee is operating a 2016 Presidential straw poll that lists all 32, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. It's all part of a fundraiser.

The poll asks users to pick their three top choices. No results are available yet. The list:

- Sen. Kelly Ayotte, of New Hampshire
- Haley Barbour, former Mississippi governor
- John Bolton, former ambassador to the United Nations
- Jeb Bush, former Florida governor - is a Bush
Herman Cain, a radio host
- Ben Carson, author and neurosurgeon
Chris Christie, New Jersey governor - status under investigation
Sen. Ted Cruz, of Texas - Meh
Mitch Daniels, former Indiana governor
- Newt Gingrich, former House speaker
- Nikki Haley, South Carolina governor
- Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas governor
- Bobby Jindal, Louisiana governor - Seriously?
John Kasich, Ohio governor
- Rep. Peter King, of New York - Seriously?
- Susana Martinez, New Mexico governor - Who?
Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor X 100000
- Sen. Rand Paul, of Kentucky
- Former Rep. Ron Paul, of Texas
Tim Pawlenty, former Minnesota governor
Mike Pence, Indiana governor
Rick Perry, Texas governor
- Sen. Rob Portman, of Ohio
- Condoleezza Rice, former secretary of state
Sen. Marco Rubio, of Florida - Meh
Rep. Paul Ryan, of Wisconsin - Meh
Brian Sandoval, Nevada governor - Who?
- Rick Santorum, former Pennsylvania senator
Sen. Tim Scott, of South Carolina - Who?
- Sen. John Thune, of South Dakota - Meh
- Scott Walker, Wisconsin governor - Meh
Former Rep. Allen West, of Florida
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Old 01-16-2014, 05:51 PM   #76
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Have you read Game Change? It's worth a read. After going through that book, I don't think her campaign is a sure thing at all. I'm not sure why she would want to go through that again, especially at this stage in her life
I think you severely underestimate the brass balls that woman possesses.

As far as Benghazi, I honestly believe the that the people who want to hang her for it are those who cant stand her anyway, the administration she represented is bad IMO, but I sincerely doubt they just let them all die on purpose.

It was a colossal blunder and serves as a perfect example of the dithering that has went on in regard to foreign policy yes... but we can always dredge up plenty of equally stupid blunders from the last administration in this war on terror. Thats not a defense of this administration, its just a recognization that awful things like this happen in war and that Hillary is far from completely vulnerable because of that one incident.

If she runs, the Republican challenger better pack a lunch IMO, because most voters arent as gung ho on Benghazi as her bitter enemies are.
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Old 01-16-2014, 05:58 PM   #77
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I think you severely underestimate the brass balls that woman possesses.

As far as Benghazi, I honestly believe the that the people who want to hang her for it are those who cant stand her anyway, the administration she represented is bad IMO, but I sincerely doubt they just let them all die on purpose.

It was a colossal blunder and serves as a perfect example of the dithering that has went on in regard to foreign policy yes... but we can always dredge up plenty of equally stupid blunders from the last administration in this war on terror. Thats not a defense of this administration, its just a recognization that awful things like this happen in war and that Hillary is far from completely vulnerable because of that one incident.

If she runs, the Republican challenger better pack a lunch IMO, because most voters arent as gung ho on Benghazi as her bitter enemies are.
Despite the comment about "perfect example of dithering" this might be the most sensible post I've seen from an Obama/Hillary hater.
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:43 PM   #78
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I think you severely underestimate the brass balls that woman possesses.

As far as Benghazi, I honestly believe the that the people who want to hang her for it are those who cant stand her anyway, the administration she represented is bad IMO, but I sincerely doubt they just let them all die on purpose.

It was a colossal blunder and serves as a perfect example of the dithering that has went on in regard to foreign policy yes... but we can always dredge up plenty of equally stupid blunders from the last administration in this war on terror. Thats not a defense of this administration, its just a recognization that awful things like this happen in war and that Hillary is far from completely vulnerable because of that one incident.

If she runs, the Republican challenger better pack a lunch IMO, because most voters arent as gung ho on Benghazi as her bitter enemies are.
It isn't about the blunder. It's about the cover-up after that she went along with. But 'WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE' right?

She'd have to win independents but I can see the campaign ads now. The dems would do themselves a favor and put the Clinton's out to pasture now.
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:56 PM   #79
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Who will win the primary? I think Ted Cruz and Santorum are going to annoyingly bump people out, but they have no shot at winning. Rand Paul could have an outside shot. All of these guys will get destroyed in a general election. I don't think there's any way Christie makes it -- way too much baggage, and it will only get worse.

The guys who could actually win a general election... Kasich could make some noise, but he's not overly popular in Ohio and there's questions about Ohio's actual economic progress. Scott Walker could have populist appeal, but his track record in Wisconsin seems a little suspect. Jindal could really shine in the health care debate, but think he has some ticks that are going to be hard to overcome.

I know it kills people to hear this, but Paul Ryan is easily the Republican most equipped to win a general election. And I am okay with that. Given the gridlock in Washington, I think it's silly to think the President has to be stubborn about principle. Rubio is the same way, except maybe a little more principled than Ryan (I don't think he's yet experienced enough to make a serious run yet).
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It isn't about the blunder. It's about the cover-up after that she went along with. But 'WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE' right?

She'd have to win independents but I can see the campaign ads now. The dems would do themselves a favor and put the Clinton's out to pasture now.
i dunno...

there were a lot of people around here saying mitt was definitely going to win...

these things don't always go the way the right or the left wants them to...
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:08 PM   #81
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I don't think people who are listing Scott Walker as a guy they like have been paying attention since he won the recall election.

The dude is ****ing clueless.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:08 PM   #82
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32? 2 thirds of that list can be dismissed. Huckabee and the like being listed is laughable. In return you can list what the left has to offer and get just as depressed. Bill Clintons husband is the front runner and several from the left are offering up token white guy halfwit Joe~
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:27 PM   #83
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i dunno...

there were a lot of people around here saying mitt was definitely going to win...

these things don't always go the way the right or the left wants them to...
We should bet right now if Hillary will become president. Loser buys and we meet at Joe's to pay up. I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to oversee that bet.
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Huckabee is a nice guy, he's good for facilitating discussion and he seems to be able to reach across the aisle to some extent/hear both sides, I appreciate that... but no, he's not Presidential.

Every time I see him on the John Stewart show or SNL, I'm convinced he's a decent man.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:33 PM   #85
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32? 2 thirds of that list can be dismissed. Huckabee and the like being listed is laughable. In return you can list what the left has to offer and get just as depressed. Bill Clintons husband is the front runner and several from the left are offering up token white guy halfwit Joe~
That's the interesting part for me, not the republican side. At this point Kerry is the only thing I can see on the dem side and his diplomacy isn't necessarily going so well right now as SOS.
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I think Cruz, King, Huckabee, and Santorum are all too far-right to be able to hold much of the middle. Between the atmosphere and the demographics, the Republicans have to run someone who can appeal to the in-betweeners, and that means a moderate - or someone they can portray as a moderate.

The front-runner to me right now is Paul Ryan, but I'm not sure he's going to want to run, because if he loses, he's in danger of being Runs Every Time guy, and he's young and can bide his time. Otherwise, I think it's Rubio or Christie or Mitch Daniels as a dark horse.

Also, there's Jon Huntsman, who doesn't show up on this list. Yes, he polled something like 3% at his zenith, but without his near-clone Mitt Romney in the race again, he'd fare better. He's smart, his bipartisanship can appeal to Democrats, and he has some experience in the run now - remember, Democrats fall in love, but Republicans fall in line; chances are they'll nominate someone who just ran.

As for the Democrats, I don't think Hilary will run. I do think the Benghazi thing now will come back to get her, especially after all of the attack ads run, and I think she knows that. I really think she just wants to retire.

So, her aside, I'd say Gates is a solid pick right now, and don't underestimate Joe Biden. Yes, he comes across as a doofus, but he's a very experienced politician, and will likely have the support of the Obama camp. The only other Democrat I can think of right now is Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, but I think he and Corey Booker are both likely to be thinking the same way I just mentioned Paul Ryan might be; they have time.
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And Ron Paul? Who basically admitted he's too old to keep up with his gig as a representative?
He'd still get my vote regardless of his old age.
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He'd still get my vote regardless of his old age.
He is kind of age-proof. It's not like we need to worry that he's going to suddenly become crazy and senile in his old age.
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I'm more interested in what you think of Clinton's chances.
I think Clinton can beat them all. This is coming from the guy who voted for the black muslim socialist over Hillary.
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I think Cruz, King, Huckabee, and Santorum are all too far-right to be able to hold much of the middle.

No I think they should be conservative and not be ashamed of it, let there be a clear distinction between the two canidates.
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