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Senior Bowl Thread

Weigh ins are in.

QBs largely suck, size-wise. Logan Thomas looks like a Greek god, though.

Tajh Boyd, 6'0", 222, 9 3/8" hand
Derek Carr, 6'2", 215, 9 1/8" hand
Aaron Murray, 6'0", 201, 9 1/8" hand
Logan Thomas, 6'5", 250 lbs, 10 3/4" hand

There were a few other guys as well, but they were all short tiny guys like Boyd, Carr, and Murray.

Sheesh. No physicality in the QBs this year.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:34 AM   #32
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Jimmie Ward looks pretty dam good, he can make a tackle and takes good angels to the ball.

hard hitter too..... shit we needed that this year Kendick Lewis has to go

Like to see Jimmie in Red this year
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:38 AM   #33
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2014 Senior Bowl: Weigh-In Analysis


North Team

The North team had three quarterbacks who basically hit their expected numbers. Clemson's Tajh Boyd (6-0, 222), Miami's Stephen Morris (6-1, 208) and Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas (6-5, 250) are all in the range they were expected to be. Thomas (10 3/4) has some huge hands while Boyd's muscular bulk suggests he has been a dedicated patron of the weight room. Thomas is a real physical specimen. If he performs well this week, his stock could really rise because he has the size and athletic ability that teams yearn for in a starting quarterback.

Notre Dame offensive tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305) was exactly as he was listed by the Fighting Irish. It was good that Martin wasn't any smaller than expected, however his arm length (32 1/4) is short for tackle and that could cause a lot of teams to project moving Martin inside to guard. If he does slide inside, he would fit best in a zone blocking system.

Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman (6-6, 318) is put together pretty well with some room to grow in his chest. Scouts that were impressed with Hageman when he walked on stage.

Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy (6-5, 252) was an inch shorter and about 10 pounds lighter than listed. Murphy is going to need to add weight if he is drafted by a 4-3 team to play defensive end.

West Virginia defensive end Will Clarke (6-6, 271) has the body to stay as a 4-3 end but also has a frame that he could expand. If he is drafted by a 3-4 team, he could get bigger to play defensive end.

Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald (6-0, 288) has a some serious muscle in his chest and arms. He has a huge upper body, and scouts were talking about how he looked stout. Unfortunately, Donald is probably maxed out in terms of weight. He still is very strong for his size and looks like he spends a lot of time in the weight room.

Tennessee defensive tackle Daniel McCullers is the largest man in Mobile. He has biggest measurments in height (6-6), weight (348), wingspan (85 1/2) and arm length (35 5/8) with the second-largest hands (10 5/8). 3-4 teams looking for a nose tackle are going to be watching McCullers closely.

Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis (6-0, 189) measured in shorter and lighter than expected. Abbrederis looks like a slot receiver type.

Oregon's Josh Huff is also a slot receiver candidate. Huff (5-11, 201) is very strong and cut up.

If he can run with receivers you can expect some comparisons to the Seahawks cornerbacks with Stanley Jean-Baptiste out of Nebraska. Jean-Baptiste (6-2, 215) is big and has good length. If receivers consistently get separation in man coverage, he'll be projected to safety.

Baylor guard Cyril Richardson (6-4, 343) is big and his weight isn't all bad, but he would be better off turning some flab into muscle.

Missouri outside linebacker Michael Sam (6-0, 260) is very strong for his size. He is shorter than preferred, but at least he has the strength to battle offensive linemen as an edge rusher.

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Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu and BYU's Kyle Van Noy both are put together well. Attaochu (6-3, 252) is a little bigger than Van Noy (6-3, 244), but Van Noy has room to grow. Each player looks like they would be fits as 3-4 outside linebackers. They also looked athletic enough during their collegiate careers to potentially have the flexibility to play some on the inside, especially Van Noy. Each one could thrive in the pass rushing one-on-ones this week.

Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr (6-2, 215) is built pretty solid, but he isn't big. Carr is an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter than his listed numbers. Carr's hand size (9 1/8 inches) is smaller than ideal.

Last week at the East-West Shrine, we wrote that Eastern Illinois quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo was smaller than his listed numbers, and that was proven to be a reality. Garoppolo (6-2, 219) is shorter than the 6-foot-3 he was billed to be and also had the smallest hands (9 inches) of any quarterback at the Senior Bowl. Garoppolo wouldn't be considered small, but doesn't have a size attribute really working for him.

Oklahoma cornerback Aaron Colvin (5-11, 186) needs to hit the weight room. He has a slight build that is going to need more strength or big NFL receivers will push him around. Colvin also doesn't have length, as he has some short arms (31 inches).

Mississippi State guard Gabe Jackson is built powerfully and is not flabby. Jackson (6-3, 339) looks like a perfect fit in a power man blocking scheme as road-grading right guard. If he does well in pass rushing one-on-ones, his stock could rise.

Virginia offensive tackle Morgan Moses (6-6, 325) and North Dakota State tackle Billy Turner (6-5, 316) both need to spend time in an NFL strength and conditioning program. They look flabby without a lot of power in their chest and arms. Turner could end up being viewed as a guard depending on how he performs this week.

Florida wideout Solomon Patton (5-8, 179) and Oklahoma wide receiver Jalen Saunders (5-8, 164) both look too small to be NFL receivers. Some prospects like Tavon Austin and DeSean Jackson have beaten the trend, but those players are few and far between.

BYU wideout Cody Hoffman (6-3, 219) is a specimen. He is big, strong and cut up. If Hoffman runs well in practice with the speed to separate, the Senior Bowl could be huge for him.

Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton (6-0, 315) had scouts sitting around WalterFootball.com chuckling about his flabby midsection. Sutton gained weight for his senior year, and it was bad weight. He probably would be better off dropping 15 pounds and just living and dying by his speed and explosion.

Virginia defensive end Brent Urban (6-6, 298) is put together well. He has some height, weight and length to him. Urban looks like an ideal five technique defensive end in a 3-4 defense.
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2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report -

The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff ran the practice and will coach the North squad all week. The Falcons' staff had the players practicing in shells (shorts, shoulder pads and helmets). Atlanta's staff kept the players going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. They started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that, the team did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

On the offensive side of the ball, the most impressive player was Notre Dame left tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305). He had an excellent practice. Martin started out by beating Stanford's Trent Murphy on back-to-back one-on-one reps. Murphy tried a speed rush to the outside and was pushed too far around by Martin. A swim move by Murphy went nowhere on the rematch. Martin also won two reps against Louisville speed rusher Marcus Smith. On one rep, Martin pushed Smith around to the outside, and on the other, Martin stood up a bull rush. Smith (14.5 sacks) and Murphy (15 sacks) were college footballs two leading sackers in 2013, so Martin's domination of them was very impressive.

Murphy didn't have a great start to his week. He also struggled against Zack Martin when they when went against each other during the season. During the team scrimmage, Murphy did have a nice play where he pushed Stanford fullback/tight end Ryan Hewitt into the backfield before shedding the block and stuffing a wide receiver for a loss of a few yards on a reverse. However, Murphy lost another pass-rushing opportunity going against Martin. Murphy needs to perform better in the one-on-ones on Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the defensive line, the most impressive player was Pittsburgh's Aaron Donald. The fast and strong Donald destroyed Baylor's Cyril Richardson in four one-on-one reps. The first rep saw Donald win with speed to the outside. After another win on a speed rush, Donald blasted Richardson (6-4, 343) flat on his backside to get free to the quarterback. To complete the domination, Donald won with speed again. Donald (6-0, 288) made a serious statement to open the week as he was phenomenal against one of the top guards in the 2014 draft class.

Another defensive tackle who impressed was Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman. He owned Miami guard Brandon Linder. Hageman beat Linder with bull and speed rushes on four reps. On the fifth try, Linder finally got a draw as he allowed some penetration, but kept Hageman from getting to the quarterback marker in time. Hageman (6-6, 318) started his week well, and he should solidify a first-round grade in Mobile.

Missouri speed-rushing outside linebacker Michael Sam had some nice battles against Miami right tackle Seantrel Henderson. To get things started, Henderson stood up a bull rush from Sam (6-1, 260). Sam came back with a win via an impressive rip move to establish leverage on Henderson with a rush to the inside. Sam also had a win with a speed rush to beat Clemson tackle Brandon Thomas. Henderson and Sam both need to impress in Mobile this week.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed outing in his first practice. He displayed a strong arm with the ability to throw some fastballs past defenders to his receivers. In the one-on-ones, Boyd lofted in a well-placed ball to Oregon's Josh Huff. They connected again when Boyd dropped in a long gain to Huff, who beat Wisconsin safety Dezmon Southward on an out-and-up. Boyd later threw a frozen rope to UCLA's Shaq Evans on the run off a slant, but Evans dropped the pass. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Boyd rolled out and helped get his receiver open with a pump fake on an out and up, but Boyd overthrew the wide out. A faster receiver like college teammate Sammy Watkins would have run it down for a long gain - probably a touchdown. A broken play by the offense saw North Carolina's Kareem Martin smack the ball out of Boyd's hands. Boyd came back to fire a bullet past the hand of Michigan State's Isaiah Lewis to hit Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis on a quick out. If Boyd is more consistent on Tuesday and Wednesday, his stock could rise.

2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell


The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff ran the practice and will coach the North squad all week. The Falcons' staff had the players practicing in shells (shorts, shoulder pads and helmets). Atlanta's staff kept the players going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. They started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that, the team did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

On the offensive side of the ball, the most impressive player was Notre Dame left tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305). He had an excellent practice. Martin started out by beating Stanford's Trent Murphy on back-to-back one-on-one reps. Murphy tried a speed rush to the outside and was pushed too far around by Martin. A swim move by Murphy went nowhere on the rematch. Martin also won two reps against Louisville speed rusher Marcus Smith. On one rep, Martin pushed Smith around to the outside, and on the other, Martin stood up a bull rush. Smith (14.5 sacks) and Murphy (15 sacks) were college footballs two leading sackers in 2013, so Martin's domination of them was very impressive.

Murphy didn't have a great start to his week. He also struggled against Zack Martin when they when went against each other during the season. During the team scrimmage, Murphy did have a nice play where he pushed Stanford fullback/tight end Ryan Hewitt into the backfield before shedding the block and stuffing a wide receiver for a loss of a few yards on a reverse. However, Murphy lost another pass-rushing opportunity going against Martin. Murphy needs to perform better in the one-on-ones on Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the defensive line, the most impressive player was Pittsburgh's Aaron Donald. The fast and strong Donald destroyed Baylor's Cyril Richardson in four one-on-one reps. The first rep saw Donald win with speed to the outside. After another win on a speed rush, Donald blasted Richardson (6-4, 343) flat on his backside to get free to the quarterback. To complete the domination, Donald won with speed again. Donald (6-0, 288) made a serious statement to open the week as he was phenomenal against one of the top guards in the 2014 draft class.

Another defensive tackle who impressed was Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman. He owned Miami guard Brandon Linder. Hageman beat Linder with bull and speed rushes on four reps. On the fifth try, Linder finally got a draw as he allowed some penetration, but kept Hageman from getting to the quarterback marker in time. Hageman (6-6, 318) started his week well, and he should solidify a first-round grade in Mobile.

Missouri speed-rushing outside linebacker Michael Sam had some nice battles against Miami right tackle Seantrel Henderson. To get things started, Henderson stood up a bull rush from Sam (6-1, 260). Sam came back with a win via an impressive rip move to establish leverage on Henderson with a rush to the inside. Sam also had a win with a speed rush to beat Clemson tackle Brandon Thomas. Henderson and Sam both need to impress in Mobile this week.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed outing in his first practice. He displayed a strong arm with the ability to throw some fastballs past defenders to his receivers. In the one-on-ones, Boyd lofted in a well-placed ball to Oregon's Josh Huff. They connected again when Boyd dropped in a long gain to Huff, who beat Wisconsin safety Dezmon Southward on an out-and-up. Boyd later threw a frozen rope to UCLA's Shaq Evans on the run off a slant, but Evans dropped the pass. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Boyd rolled out and helped get his receiver open with a pump fake on an out and up, but Boyd overthrew the wide out. A faster receiver like college teammate Sammy Watkins would have run it down for a long gain - probably a touchdown. A broken play by the offense saw North Carolina's Kareem Martin smack the ball out of Boyd's hands. Boyd came back to fire a bullet past the hand of Michigan State's Isaiah Lewis to hit Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis on a quick out. If Boyd is more consistent on Tuesday and Wednesday, his stock could rise.

Miami quarterback Stephen Morris had a mixed session. During the team scrimmage, he threw a ball up for grabs downfield into double coverage. Oregon wide receiver Josh Huff couldn't get back to the underthrown pass for a reception, and it fell incomplete. That kind of throw and decision caused Morris to throw a number of interceptions in college. Morris had a good completion going downfield on a deep ball for Abbrederis. Morris laid it up there, and Abbrederis made a leaping grab over Wyoming cornerback Marqueston Huff. Morris also connected with Abbrederis on a slant. Morris had another completion on a throw to UCLA wide out Shaq Evans, who beat Wisconsin safety Dez Southward. Morris had a decent debut, but he needs to play better on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas was his typical self with some impressive plays and some other letdowns. During the team scrimmage, he basically took a sack since he held onto the ball too long when nothing was open. Thomas also fired a nice pass to Abbrederis, who beat Wyoming cornerback Marqueston Huff on a slant. Thomas threw a nice ball to Evans for a nice gain after he beat N.C. State cornerback Dontae Johnson. With his combination of size and athleticism, Thomas has evaluators watching him closely.

As if you couldn't tell already, Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis had a superb practice to open the week. He was very impressive with his route-running and sudden breaks. Abbrederis constantly got separation from defensive backs and outfought them for balls. He also did a nice job fielding punts. Abbrederis looks like a sleeper pick who could be a steal on the second day.

During the team scrimmage, West Virginia running back Charles Sims had a nice gainer on a screen pass. Baylor's Cyril Richardson hit a block on the second level to spring him. Another running back who ripped off a carry for good yards was Toledo's David Fluellen. Tajh Boyd sold a read option well, allowing Fluellen to go behind the left side for a chunk. Wisconsin running back James White tried to get outside to break off a long run on a sweep, but former teammate Chris Borland was able to get to the edge and keep White breaking into the open field. White did have an impressive catch during the one-on-ones going against Iowa linebacker Christian Kirksey, who had nice coverage on the play.

Colorado State center Weston Richburg had a solid opening to the week. He had nice feet and agility in the pass-rushing one-on-ones.

During the individual portion of practice, Michigan State safety Isaiah Lewis displayed some fluid hips and did nice job of flipping and running. He did have a dropped interception on one pass, but looked pretty good overall.

Utah State center Tyler Larsen really struggled. He was getting beaten by Penn State defensive tackle DaQuan Jones among others. Larsen needs to anchor better against bull rushes in particular.
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Chiefs scouts paying a lot of attention to wide receivers here. No surprise, but worth noting they were praising bigger bodied guys.

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Nebraska CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste said today that he met with the #Chiefs. Huge corner at 6-3, 220.

North Dakota State OT Billy Turner said the #Chiefs talked to him yesterday about moving from tackle to guard.

In addition to the 6-3 Jean-Baptiste, the #Chiefs also interviewed 6-3 Utah corner Keith McGill (according to McGill). Hmm.

#Chiefs have met with a couple of interesting prospects in Lindenwood CB Pierre Desir and West Virginia RB Charles Sims.
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The kid has too short of arms to play DE in the 3-4 and is maxed out on size, but he'll be an excellent 4-3 DT though.
I want him because he'd be an effective pass rusher at the 3 technique.

Given how often we're in our sub package due to the way teams use personnel groupings and alignments in today's NFL, it's more important to have a viable pass rusher for that position. He looks like a significant upgrade and is big enough to allow you to flip him to the 1 to create advantages with Poe while still keeping a quality player on the field for gap integrity and stopping the run.
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I want him because he'd be an effective pass rusher at the 3 technique.

Given how often we're in our sub package due to the way teams use personnel groupings and alignments in today's NFL, it's more important to have a viable pass rusher for that position. He looks like a significant upgrade and is big enough to allow you to flip him to the 1 to create advantages with Poe while still keeping a quality player on the field for gap integrity and stopping the run.
A passrusher yes, but in our current scheme he'd be a situational player.
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A passrusher yes, but in our current scheme he'd be a situational player.

What's your point?
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I wouldn't spend too high of a pick on someone who's situational player in our present scheme. The guy has to be an every down player to justify it, if we switch and are confident that Hali and Houston can maintain the edge rush in the 4-3 then I'm all for it. It's a John Randle type of situation.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:07 PM   #43
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I wouldn't spend too high of a pick on someone who's situational player in our present scheme. The guy has to be an every down player to justify it, if we switch and are confident that Hali and Houston can maintain the edge rush in the 4-3 then I'm all for it. It's a John Randle type of situation.
You're likely not going to find an every down starter at 23....at least for their 1st year. Maybe a WR....but he'd have to immediately buy into the offense.
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I wouldn't spend too high of a pick on someone who's situational player in our present scheme. The guy has to be an every down player to justify it, if we switch and are confident that Hali and Houston can maintain the edge rush in the 4-3 then I'm all for it. It's a John Randle type of situation.
You do realize that because of how often teams spread out the field and use personnel groupings that are pass friendly, sub packages are going to be more important than your base 3-4?


Guys who used to be 3rd down only players are quickly becoming 2 down players, whereas your 2 down, run-stuffing players are getting much more reduced roles (see Mike DeVito, Tyson Jackson, Akeem Jordan, Jovan Belcher).
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You do realize that because of how often teams spread out the field and use personnel groupings that are pass friendly, sub packages are going to be more important than your base 3-4?


Guys who used to be 3rd down only players are quickly becoming 2 down players, whereas your 2 down, run-stuffing players are getting much more reduced roles (see Mike DeVito, Tyson Jackson, Akeem Jordan, Jovan Belcher).
That's why I like Tuitt. He can play DE in our base 3-4....and you can kick him inside in sub packages.
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