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Old 01-20-2014, 11:33 PM  
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:15 PM   #61
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The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled that Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the Seventh Circuit declared.

The prison had refused to allow the inmate to create a study group for atheists.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/050820


In 1961, in Torcaso v. Watkins, the Supreme Court, in a foonote, described "secular humanism" as a religion,
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:18 PM   #62
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The only claim one has to make and still satisfy being an atheist, is that one doesn't believe the claims made by theists because they have no proof of them. That requires no faith in the slightest.

It's as simple as that.
Your use of the word "claim" the way you are using it, is inappropriate for matters of belief. There is no burden of proof required. That's where your logic fails because you are mixing categories of things.
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:21 PM   #63
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The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled that Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the Seventh Circuit declared.

The prison had refused to allow the inmate to create a study group for atheists.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/050820


In 1961, in Torcaso v. Watkins, the Supreme Court, in a foonote, described "secular humanism" as a religion,
1961 of course those who wished to gather and discuss none Christian subjects had to fight for that right. Utilizing the right afforded to their counterparts. What was the stance of that court at that time on civil rights?
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:23 PM   #64
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Seems to me, fish, that you are confusing scientific claims, or even legal claims, with what is called apologetics for one's faith.
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:25 PM   #65
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1961 of course those who wished to gather and discuss none Christian subjects had to fight for that right. Utilizing the right afforded to their counterparts. What was the stance of that court at that time on civil rights?
Your use of smilies are anti-intellectual. I put those up for fish, in regards to my earlier point about justices deeming "atheism" or antheistic systems such as secular humanism, as being protected under the First Amendment freedom of religion, as something that still answers the big questions for a person. Atheism, is protected under this just as other religions are. I find it appropriate since govt should decide what is a proper belief system or not.
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:29 PM   #66
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Your use of the word "claim" the way you are using it, is inappropriate for matters of belief. There is no burden of proof required. That's where your logic fails because you are mixing categories of things.
I'm mixing categories of things?

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Old 01-21-2014, 03:30 PM   #67
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BTW there is a belief system that is atheistic--Buddhism.

( Yes, I know listo and I have argued this before and he'd disagree. I don't agree with him though. It's not a system that requires a belief in a personal god. Pope John Paul wrote about it being an atheist belief system too.)
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:31 PM   #68
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I'm mixing categories of things?

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Yup! Most of you religion-bashers do that when it comes to religious topics. You think a belief or conviction is the same thing as a scientific claim where an experiment can bear out the truth. Now what is one funny mix-up!
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:32 PM   #69
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Religion or not, the most evangelistic posters on this board are atheists.
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:33 PM   #70
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BTW there is a belief system that is atheistic--Buddhism.

( Yes, I know listo and I have argued this before and he'd disagree. I don't agree with him though. It's not a system that requires a belief in a personal god. Pope John Paul wrote about it being an atheist belief system too.)
listo is well versed in Buddhism whereas you know jackshit about it. I remember that discussion and you showed your ass in it like usual.

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Religion or not, the most evangelistic posters on this board are atheists.
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Old 01-21-2014, 03:34 PM   #72
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Religion or not, the most evangelistic posters on this board are atheists.
I happen to agree. They seem to making most of these so called "claims" that they say demand laboratory proof. Plus they're the ones using the word "claim" more and definitely in an out-of-context way.
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Your use of smilies are anti-intellectual. I put those up for fish, in regards to my earlier point about justices deeming "atheism" or antheistic systems such as secular humanism, as being protected under the First Amendment freedom of religion, as something that still answers the big questions for a person. Atheism, is protected under this just as other religions are. I find it appropriate since govt should decide what is a proper belief system or not.
The smiles are to help you with the visual of me chuckling while reading your replies~
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The smiles are to help you with the visual of me chuckling while reading your replies~
A nice anti-social touch, I must admit. It's no wonder it doesn't work. Making fun of others because you can't articulate your whole argument with reason alone. I guess the golden rule doesn't mean much to you either. This is why I've posted before that some of you atheists could use some religion--if only to take off some anti-social edges. I just prefer to call it spiritual development--with or without a god.
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A nice anti-social touch, I must admit. I guess the golden rule doesn't mean much to you either.
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