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Old 01-20-2014, 10:33 PM  
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:38 PM   #76
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Your use of smilies are anti-intellectual. I put those up for fish, in regards to my earlier point about justices deeming "atheism" or antheistic systems such as secular humanism, as being protected under the First Amendment freedom of religion, as something that still answers the big questions for a person. Atheism, is protected under this just as other religions are. I find it appropriate since govt should decide what is a proper belief system or not.
It is protected by the First Amendment. But not because it's a religion. It's actually the opposite. The First Amendment, in order to be effective in protecting all beliefs must also guarantee the freedom to hold no religious belief. That's why it must be protected by the First. Not because it classifies as a religion, but so as to not give preferences to those with beliefs over those without.

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Old 01-21-2014, 02:39 PM   #77
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Please I beg you- feebly attempt to claim that to the bible~
Why would when it's also more a universal common sense approach to personal relationships or living in general. It didn't take long for someone to go to the low end. Although, fish beat you to it.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:42 PM   #78
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It is protected by the First Amendment. But not because it's a religion. It's actually the opposite. The First Amendment, in order to be effective in protecting all beliefs must also guarantee the freedom to hold no religious belief. That's why it must be protected by the First. Not because it classifies as a religion, but so as to not give preferences to those with beliefs over those without.
I said earlier that it's protected under Freedom of Religion because it deals with the big life questions, including what happens after we live--like a religion does.

I don't adhere to a narrow definition of religion as some do such as being based on a god or personal god to be a religion. Seems to include you based on how you're using it. Thus, like something that's "icky" because it's "irrational" and should be avoided.

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Old 01-21-2014, 02:44 PM   #79
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I said earlier that it's protected under Freedom of Religion because it deals with the big life questions, including what happens after we live--like a religion does.


It's still a conviction that you can't prove using your own physical laboratory.
It doesn't deal with big life questions or post life questions in the slightest. It's included for equality to cover those with no beliefs. Nothing more.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:48 PM   #80
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It doesn't deal with big life questions or post life questions in the slightest. It's included for equality to cover those with no beliefs. Nothing more.
Well, tell that to one of the justices that wrote that even if I paraphrased it.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:48 PM   #81
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It doesn't deal with big life questions or post life questions in the slightest. It's included for equality to cover those with no beliefs. Nothing more.
I believe you just described agnosticism, not atheism. Atheists BELIEVE there is no God. Atheists BELIEVE that when you die, you become worm food and nothing more.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:50 PM   #82
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I believe you just described agnosticism, not atheism. Atheists BELIEVE there is no God. Atheists BELIEVE that when you die, you become worm food and nothing more.
Yup, they BELIEVE that they are only physical matter with no soul. Physical matter decays...but the soul isn't physical. That's a philosophy of life, much like religion. Only it's the philosophy of materialism--which is not just about pursuing material goods or wealth of the physical world.
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Why would when it's also more a universal common sense approach to personal relationships or living in general. It didn't take long for someone to go to the low end. Although, fish beat you to it.
The golden rule is found in the writings of Confucius well before the story of Jesus~
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I believe you just described agnosticism, not atheism. Atheists BELIEVE there is no God. Atheists BELIEVE that when you die, you become worm food and nothing more.
That's not true. It may be true for some atheists, but it's not a true statement for atheism itself. Atheism at its core is the absence or rejection of some theistic beliefs. That's it. There's no book of atheism. It's not a collection of agreed upon ideas or dogma.

Like religious people, atheists come in different forms.
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The golden rule is found in the writings of Confucius well before the story of Jesus~
Glad to learn that. Doesn't surprise me since I said it was a universal idea.
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That's not true. It may be true for some atheists, but it's not a true statement for atheism itself. Atheism at its core is the absence or rejection of theistic beliefs. That's it. There's no book of atheism. It's not a collection of agreed upon ideas or dogma.

Like religious people, atheists come in different forms.
Generally, it's more true than it isn't. You hardly strike me as someone with any streak of spirituality in them...say, like a Buddhist.
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That's not true. It may be true for some atheists, but it's not a true statement for atheism itself. Atheism at its core is the absence or rejection of some theistic beliefs. That's it. There's no book of atheism. It's not a collection of agreed upon ideas or dogma.

Like religious people, atheists come in different forms.
So how do you reject theistic beliefs without coming down on the opposite side of theists on whether God exists or whether there is an afterlife?
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What is materialism

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance...

The materialist view is perhaps best understood in its opposition to the doctrines of immaterial substance applied to the mind historically, famously by René Descartes...

It has been criticised as a spiritually empty philosophy.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tm...terialism.html
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In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance...

The materialist view is perhaps best understood in its opposition to the doctrines of immaterial substance applied to the mind historically, famously by René Descartes...

It has been criticised as a spiritually empty philosophy.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tm...terialism.html
If we are now resorting to this I could quote countless people offering less flattering retorts to the other side~
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If we are now resorting to this I could quote countless people offering less flattering retorts to the other side~
Huh? "Resorting" sounds like it's moving into some sort of bad behavior. I put it up to define what is meant by 'materialism" since I have been using that word. Nothing wrong with that since that is accurate.

If you mean the last line, as in it's "empty of spirituality" I can see that somewhat but since it's the opposite of spiritual why would there be any spirituality in it? There wouldn't be. Buddhism is not materialism, is atheistic but it is still spiritual.
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