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Ex-Governor of Virginia Is Indicted on Charges Over Loans and Gifts

Former Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia and his wife, Maureen, were indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury on charges of accepting more than $140,000 in loans and gifts in exchange for promoting the business of a political patron who was seeking special favors from the state government.

The 14-count indictment filed by the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia included charges of fraud and soliciting loans and gifts from Jonnie R. Williams Sr., the chief executive of Star Scientific, a maker of dietary supplements, who hoped to use the governor to promote his products.

The indictment accuses the McDonnells of accepting some $135,000 in cash from Mr. Williams, thousands of dollars in golf outings, designer clothing and a Rolex watch engraved “71st Governor of Virginia” on the back. It accuses the former first couple of lying about the gifts on loan statements and to government investigators.

Once a rising Republican star, mentioned as a possible running mate for Mitt Romney in 2012 and as an aspirant for his party’s 2016 presidential nomination, Mr. McDonnell has taken a spectacular fall since details of his relationship with Mr. Williams surfaced last spring. Under Virginia law, he was limited to one four-year term, but details of his relationship with Mr. Williams and the threat of his indictment colored the race to succeed him.

“Today’s charges represent the Justice Department’s continued commitment to rooting out public corruption at all levels of government,” the acting assistant attorney general, Mythili Raman, said in a statement. “Ensuring that elected officials uphold the public’s trust is one of our most critical responsibilities.”

At a news conference in Richmond on Tuesday night, Mr. McDonnell said he had been “falsely and wrongly accused” and that prosecutors had “stretched the law to its breaking point” to bring charges. He said he did no special favors for Mr. Williams. He appeared with his wife and took no questions.

Earlier, a lawyer for Ms. McDonnell, William Burck, said she was innocent.

Mr. McDonnell, who last summer announced that he was returning the gifts and loans, has long maintained that he never did anything for Mr. Williams or his company that he would not have done for any other Virginia business.

He apologized in his last address to the General Assembly on Jan. 8 for the scandal, which cast a shadow over the campaign of the Republican candidate who sought to succeed him, Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II. Mr. Cuccinelli lost in November to the current governor, Terry McAuliffe.

A lawyer for Mr. Williams, Jerry W. Kilgore, declined to comment. Mr. Williams stepped down as chief executive of Star Scientific last month and the company changed its name.

If convicted, the McDonnells could face decades in prison.

As detailed in the 43-page indictment, Mr. Williams ingratiated himself with the McDonells by giving them lavish gifts and loans, many of which it said Ms. McDonnell solicited with the promise that she and the governor could help his company.

Mr. Williams, an entrepreneur whose publicly traded company developed dietary supplements and cosmetics derived from a tobacco extract, sought to use the McDonnells to impress investors, as well as to enlist the governor’s support in winning state-funded research on his product.

In April 2011, the government charges, Ms. McDonnell asked Mr. Williams to buy her an Oscar de la Renta gown in New York for a political event at the Union League Club. She promised to seat him next to the governor.

Later that year, the indictment charges, Ms. McDonnell told Mr. Williams that she and her husband were having severe financial difficulties because of real estate investments in Virginia Beach. She asked for a $50,000 loan. Mr. Williams agreed to lend the money, telling the governor that “loan paperwork was not necessary,” according to the charges.

Shortly after, Mr. Williams paid $15,000 to cater the wedding of the McDonnells’ middle daughter, and Ms. McDonnell agreed to fly to Florida on Mr. Williams’s private jet to promote a dietary supplement called Anatabloc, made by Star Scientific.

“Thanks so much for all your help with my family,” the governor wrote to Mr. Williams, in an email included in the indictment. “Your very generous gift to [CM] was most appreciated as well as the golf round tomorrow for the boys,” he added, with “CM” apparently a reference to the governor’s middle daughter.

“Maureen is excited about the trip to fla to learn more about the products,” he added.

At the governor’s request, according to the indictment, the Virginia secretary of health asked policy advisers to meet with Mr. Williams, who was interested in having Virginia’s public universities conduct scientific studies of the health benefits of the active ingredient in Anatabloc, which he would be able to point to for investors.

In a meeting with the health policy adviser, Mr. Williams said he had discussed with the governor having the studies paid for by the State Tobacco Commission.

Later, when the governor met with a top state official about ways to reduce health care costs, Mr. McDonnell pulled out some Anatabloc from his pocket, said he took it personally and asked the official to “reach out to the ‘Anatabloc people’ and meet with them,” according to the indictment.

In the summer of 2011, when Mr. Williams offered a mountain lake home he owned to the McDonnells for a getaway, Ms. McDonnell asked if Mr. Williams’s Ferrari would be available for their use. Mr. Williams had an employee drive the car to the lake house for the McDonnells’ enjoyment, according to the indictment.

The government charges that after Ms. McDonnell met with investigators in February 2013, she wrote a note to Mr. Williams trying to cover her tracks by making it appear that she had agreed to return the designer luxury goods to him rather than keep them.

The governor was charged with routing Mr. Williams’s loans and other largess through family members and “corporate entities” to avoid revealing them on annual gift disclosure filings. When details of some of the gifts emerged publicly last year, Mr. McDonnell said they had been made to family members, not himself, and therefore he was not required to disclose them.

Speaking to radio listeners last spring, Mr. McDonnell said, “I think it’s important that the people of Virginia know that nothing has been done with regard to my relationship with Mr. Williams or his company Star Scientific to give any kind of special benefits to him or his company.”

Although Mr. McDonnell said he had returned all the gifts, the indictment includes a list of property that he and his wife would be required to forfeit if they are convicted. The list includes Mr. McDonnell’s silver Rolex, two gold Oscar de la Renta dresses, an Armani jacket and matching dresses, two pairs of Foot Joy golf shoes, a baby blue striped Peter Millar golf shirt, a Ping Kinloch golf bag, two sets of golf clubs, two iPhones and 30 boxes of Anatabloc.

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Old 01-23-2014, 01:35 PM   #16
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It's sad that our country is so fiercely dedicated to this sham of a two party system and an honest politician is so hard to find on either side of it.
I remember seeing Ralph Nader on Phil Donahue years ago being asked about a "third party". He laughed and said he asked his dad the same question when he was a young man and his dad turned and said to him "Son, I'd be happy if there were two". That conversation had to take place about 40 - 50 years ago.
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Old 01-23-2014, 01:54 PM   #17
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It wouldn't matter if we had a dozen parties. Many of the people who get into positions of power are going to take advantage of it. Whether it's buying and selling stock that you know will be impacted one way or the other by legislation or planning a mass transit system to have a stop near an office building you own or accepting these kinds of gifts, this is a power corrupts problem not an R or d problem.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:06 PM   #18
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Hillary made 100k on cattle futures trading in 1979. Despite only having 1k of the 12k required to purchase the contracts. The NYY states as much as 40k may have come from another account and shifted into hers. The trading firm Refco allowed her to trade despite not having the required capital to cover them.


But hey, about this Bob McDonnell dude and his illicit gifts: let's get back to that as quickly as we can
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:55 PM   #19
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Hillary made 100k on cattle futures trading in 1979. Despite only having 1k of the 12k required to purchase the contracts. The NYY states as much as 40k may have come from another account and shifted into hers. The trading firm Refco allowed her to trade despite not having the required capital to cover them.


But hey, about this Bob McDonnell dude and his illicit gifts: let's get back to that as quickly as we can
Yeah, I can't believe McDonnell is in trouble, considering what Hillary did in 1979.

What did she do wrong again?
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:27 PM   #20
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Yeah, I can't believe McDonnell is in trouble, considering what Hillary did in 1979.

What did she do wrong again?
Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 01-23-2014, 07:03 PM   #22
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Hillary made 100k on cattle futures trading in 1979. Despite only having 1k of the 12k required to purchase the contracts. The NYY states as much as 40k may have come from another account and shifted into hers. The trading firm Refco allowed her to trade despite not having the required capital to cover them.


But hey, about this Bob McDonnell dude and his illicit gifts: let's get back to that as quickly as we can
If you are going to dig into the Clintons to produce some mud you shouldn't waste you time on this wrong but trivial thing~
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If you are going to dig into the Clintons to produce some mud you shouldn't waste you time on this wrong but trivial thing~
I'm sorry, were you refuting the facts or just posting your usual nonsense one liners?
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Yep, a scumbag politician. Did wrong and then lied about it.

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Old 01-23-2014, 10:02 PM   #25
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Thanks for proving mine.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:51 AM   #26
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Yep, a scumbag politician. Did wrong and then lied about it.

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We're not able to rid ourselves of Hillary, unfortunately. So it doesn't always work that way.
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He doesn't think Benghazi is a "wrong" in the least. Thinks it's just a political nonstory. Ask him.
Cosmo, here's your chance to defend youself. Is Benghazi truly a political nonstory?

Is covering up a break-in at the Watergate hotel a worse offense than covering up a terrorist attack on an embassy because it hurts the narrative of your campaign?
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Cosmo, here's your chance to defend youself. Is Benghazi truly a political nonstory?

Is covering up a break-in at the Watergate hotel a worse offense than covering up a terrorist attack on an embassy because it hurts the narrative of your campaign?
Here's what they all say:"tragic deaths, pray for their families, mistakes were made, hope we do better next time, not remotely one bit of blame on Obama, Hillary or anyone else with a (D) by their name, but yes: very sad"
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I think his point is that two wrongs don't make a right. The Benghazi situation is reprehensible, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to point out other incidences of corruption in government.

The moral failures of the Obama administration don't make it OK for a Republican to be on the take. You should continue to speak about Benghazi because it's truly a disgrace, but to constantly bring it up in other threads that have nothing to do with Benghazi, Obama or Hillarybitch comes across as a little obsessive.
How many Americans died in Benghazi where we never belonged and how many in Iraq where we never belonged? Who's death of Americans, for a lie, is greater?
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How many Americans died in Benghazi where we never belonged and how many in Iraq where we never belonged? Who's death of Americans, for a lie, is greater?
What differenace does it make? Just kidding


In retrospect I think IRAQ was a mistake and admit that is not what I thought originally however; the list of reasons given to sell the war was pretty long and the WMDs were just the icing on the cake we were sold.
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