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Old 01-23-2014, 11:39 PM  
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Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.
  • All along, the theory behind Christie's candidacy was that he could overcome his lack of conservative bona fides with a combination of personality, competence, electability, and money. Bridgegate undermines all four.
  • So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.
  • Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
  • “Rand has a much broader appeal than his father,” Robinson says. Polls reflect that: A survey last December for the Des Moines Register found Paul with a lower unfavorability rating among Iowa Republicans than either Christie or Jeb Bush.
  • If Paul is, arguably, the early leader in Iowa, he may be the early frontrunner in New Hampshire as well. While Ron Paul placed third in Iowa in 2012, he placed second in New Hampshire, losing only to Mitt Romney
  • “If you whited out his name, and looked at his numbers,” Scala says of Paul, “you’d think he was a strong mainstream candidate.”
  • Paul looks like a better bet than anyone else to finish in the top two in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he did, he’d establish himself as the leading anti-establishment candidate in the GOP field.
  • Of course, the more early success Paul enjoyed, the more fervently some GOP elites—unnerved by his anti-interventionist foreign-policy views and potential weakness in a general election—would rally around someone else. Such efforts have worked in the past.
  • Paul will never be the darling of the GOP establishment. But Republican elites may have a difficult time in forging a unified front against him.
  • If there’s one thing that could obviate all this, it’s the possibility that Paul could suffer his own candidacy-crippling scandal.
  • But even taking that possibility into account, Paul is in a stronger position than many in the media recognize. On issues from NSA surveillance to drug legalization to gay marriage, the GOP is moving in his direction. For his part, Paul is gaining acceptance within the Republican mainstream.
  • There’s no way of knowing at this point, of course. But political commentators are making a big mistake if they disregard the chance.

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Old 02-27-2014, 06:40 AM   #76
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Saw a news report last week that Rand has already said the GOP needs to adopt some libertarian ideas to survive. And he's not a libertarian either. In his own words.

I think there would be less contention on social issues if we followed the Constitution and had candidates say they are state issues--not federal. These things just get magnified at a national level because different regions, and areas have different values. It doesn't work. I wish a presidential candidate would say it has little to do with the powers of the presidency.
This is what absolutely enfuriates me about the religious right. It's okay in this context, because Christie is terrible. But Christie changed his stances on social issues from moderate to conservative because he knew he would never win the nomination if he was pro choice. Pawlenty did the same thing. Tom Ridge, even if I'm not a fan, he was completely vetoed years ago because he was pro choice. Similarly... I never got the sense that Romney ever wanted to bring up abortion, birth control, or gay marriage. It was the religious right that forced him to take a hardline stance on it. To this day, I really wonder if he could have at least won a small segment of woman if not for the religious right.

I wish the religious right would stop hamstringing the party. As long as taking hardline stances on these issues is a requirement for nomination, every GOP candidate is doomed. They're obviously not going to win over groups like gays and women, but they can at least chip away at winning small groups of them over.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:17 AM   #77
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Yes, and before that during primary season, Ron failed to gain traction with any appreciably sized group on the right even with advantages in funding and supporter engagement, let alone drawing people in from the left or displaying the capability to win a national election
The candidates to draw in moderates, not necessarily people from the left, were absolutely there in the Republican field. It's not their fault that Republican primary voters in Iowa and South Carolina are the dumbest mother****ers on the face of the ****ing planet.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:22 AM   #78
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Saw a news report last week that Rand has already said the GOP needs to adopt some libertarian ideas to survive. And he's not a libertarian either. In his own words.

I think there would be less contention on social issues if we followed the Constitution and had candidates say they are state issues--not federal. These things just get magnified at a national level because different regions, and areas have different values. It doesn't work. I wish a presidential candidate would say it has little to do with the powers of the presidency.
We should honor him by calling him Rand Cheney when he embraces good ideas like this. I approve of Rand taking pages out of the Dick Cheney book of American conservatism.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:23 AM   #79
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The candidates to draw in moderates, not necessarily people from the left, were absolutely there in the Republican field. It's not their fault that Republican primary voters in Iowa and South Carolina are the dumbest mother****ers on the face of the ****ing planet.
If you ignore 2012 Obama voters.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:25 AM   #80
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Another 2 years of posts about how only * Paul can save us, and how he's the presumptive, and how much money he's raised that the other candidates can't match, and how he's going to roll over the other nominees as soon as people just wake up, and... "to the 'ship", etc
Boy you sure do whine like a little butthurt boy!

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Old 02-27-2014, 07:29 AM   #81
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If you ignore 2012 Obama voters.
Republicans would have given their first borns to boot Obama out of office in 2012.

But apparently they didn't want it hard enough.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:34 AM   #82
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There's a nasty undercurrent going on in Iowa. I got wind of it by a Fox reporter who is nothing but an Establishment dude. He was complaining about how the Ron Paul types got key positions in the R party of Iowa and gained control. But he also said something is being done to change that by the Establishment wing of the party. The Rovians and Boehners for instance. Gov Branstad is behind trying to dismantle their control. Don't be surprised when they pull out the stops and the nasty corruption rears its head in the GOP over this. This is the Progressive wing of the party.
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Republicans would have given their first borns to boot Obama out of office in 2012.

But apparently they didn't want it hard enough.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:36 AM   #84
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Republicans would have given their first borns to boot Obama out of office in 2012.

But apparently they didn't want it hard enough.
No, the GOP pissed off the RP and Evangelical crowd(silent majority) and they stayed home and thus we got Barry 4 more years.
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The candidates to draw in moderates, not necessarily people from the left, were absolutely there in the Republican field. It's not their fault that Republican primary voters in Iowa and South Carolina are the dumbest mother****ers on the face of the ****ing planet.
Beating the last two Republican fields would have been like dunking on midgets if one were a viable candidate. But did Ron Paul ever win a Primary in two full election cycles? How many delegate votes has he received in two tries?
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Republicans would have given their first borns to boot Obama out of office in 2012.

But apparently they didn't want it hard enough.
You mean, they haven't imported enough people into the dependency class/reproduced fsat enough
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Republicans would have given their first borns to boot Obama out of office in 2012.

But apparently they didn't want it hard enough.
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Beating the last two Republican fields would have been like dunking on midgets if one were a viable candidate. But did Ron Paul ever win a Primary in two full election cycles? How many delegate votes has he received in two tries?
Keep blaming Ron Paul for your Obama problems, but it's really your own fault. This isn't about Ron Paul. It's about clueless ****tards that look at a wide field of candidates to beat Barack Obama, and according to voters, the top 3 choices for best shot at taking him down are Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich.

Detoxing knocked it out of the ****ing park a week or so ago when he mentioned the reason why Republicans lost to Obama was because of the voters themselves, and he's absolutely right. If Republican voting bases didn't force their candidates to say nothing but hard right bullshit in the primaries, they wouldn't have this problem when they get to the general election.
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Keep blaming Ron Paul for your Obama problems, but it's really your own fault. This isn't about Ron Paul. It's about clueless ****tards that look at a wide field of candidates to beat Barack Obama, and according to voters, the top 3 choices for best shot at taking him down are Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich.

Detoxing knocked it out of the ****ing park a week or so ago when he mentioned the reason why Republicans lost to Obama was because of the voters themselves, and he's absolutely right. If Republican voting bases didn't force their candidates to say nothing but hard right bullshit in the primaries, they wouldn't have this problem when they get to the general election.
The same hard right bullshit that Ronald Reagan used to say and that is largely credited with earning him the votes of Reagan democrats?
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Keep blaming Ron Paul for your Obama problems
I never did any such thing.
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