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Old 01-23-2014, 11:39 PM  
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Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.
  • All along, the theory behind Christie's candidacy was that he could overcome his lack of conservative bona fides with a combination of personality, competence, electability, and money. Bridgegate undermines all four.
  • So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.
  • Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
  • “Rand has a much broader appeal than his father,” Robinson says. Polls reflect that: A survey last December for the Des Moines Register found Paul with a lower unfavorability rating among Iowa Republicans than either Christie or Jeb Bush.
  • If Paul is, arguably, the early leader in Iowa, he may be the early frontrunner in New Hampshire as well. While Ron Paul placed third in Iowa in 2012, he placed second in New Hampshire, losing only to Mitt Romney
  • “If you whited out his name, and looked at his numbers,” Scala says of Paul, “you’d think he was a strong mainstream candidate.”
  • Paul looks like a better bet than anyone else to finish in the top two in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he did, he’d establish himself as the leading anti-establishment candidate in the GOP field.
  • Of course, the more early success Paul enjoyed, the more fervently some GOP elites—unnerved by his anti-interventionist foreign-policy views and potential weakness in a general election—would rally around someone else. Such efforts have worked in the past.
  • Paul will never be the darling of the GOP establishment. But Republican elites may have a difficult time in forging a unified front against him.
  • If there’s one thing that could obviate all this, it’s the possibility that Paul could suffer his own candidacy-crippling scandal.
  • But even taking that possibility into account, Paul is in a stronger position than many in the media recognize. On issues from NSA surveillance to drug legalization to gay marriage, the GOP is moving in his direction. For his part, Paul is gaining acceptance within the Republican mainstream.
  • There’s no way of knowing at this point, of course. But political commentators are making a big mistake if they disregard the chance.

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Old 02-27-2014, 07:51 AM   #91
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You mean, they haven't imported enough people into the dependency class/reproduced fsat enough
See? More bullshit. The Democrats cheat and offer free goodies!

I didn't like this guy, but Jon Huntsman would have beat Barack Obama in the general election. Republicans weren't going to NOT vote for him, and Huntsman would have won over a ton of moderate voters. And he wouldn't have had as bad of a problem reaching out to women and minorities.

All you can see is, "Well, he didn't win any primaries, therefore he's incapable of beating Obama and a bad candidate for the general election." You're completely ignoring the flaming diarrhea hoops that Republican candidates have to jump through in order to become the party's nomination. If one of the candidates looks at that and says, "No thank you," you call him a shitty candidate.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:53 AM   #92
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The same hard right bullshit that Ronald Reagan used to say and that is largely credited with earning him the votes of Reagan democrats?
Rick Santorum is now Ronald Reagan, and 2012 is now 1984.

I've heard it all, now.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:59 AM   #93
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See? More bullshit. The Democrats cheat and offer free goodies!

I didn't like this guy, but Jon Huntsman would have beat Barack Obama in the general election. Republicans weren't going to NOT vote for him, and Huntsman would have won over a ton of moderate voters. And he wouldn't have had as bad of a problem reaching out to women and minorities.

All you can see is, "Well, he didn't win any primaries, therefore he's incapable of beating Obama and a bad candidate for the general election." You're completely ignoring the flaming diarrhea hoops that Republican candidates have to jump through in order to become the party's nomination. If one of the candidates looks at that and says, "No thank you," you call him a shitty candidate.
As someone who stumped hard for John McCain in 2000 and who would have had a hard time NOT voting for him in 2008 even after shifting some political views in the 8 years in between... I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm sure McCain is hated around here, because he's too RINO-y, but I'm still convinced he was the best man to lead the country in 2000 and would have been the best in 2008 as well.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:05 AM   #94
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Rick Santorum is now Ronald Reagan, and 2012 is now 1984.

I've heard it all, now.
I haven't. I haven't heard what hard right bullshit you think ruined Mitt Romney's chance of beating Obama.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:13 AM   #95
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I haven't. I haven't heard what hard right bullshit you think ruined Mitt Romney's chance of beating Obama.
47% is what beat Romney. Abortion is what beat Romney. And demographics are what beat Romney.

In 2016, none of those are apt to change.

As long as republicans hold the brand of being for the rich, against women, and against people of color, they simply hold little chance of winning in a national election.

Unless the economy completely tanks (e.g. Reagan v Carter) either a moderate repub (a Bush) or a dem will win national elections given the current conditions within the nation.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:18 AM   #96
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47% is what beat Romney. Abortion is what beat Romney. And demographics are what beat Romney.
Well, one out of three ain't bad.

Ethnic block voting and identity politics are what beat Romney
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:20 AM   #97
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Well, one out of three ain't bad.

Ethnic block voting and identity politics are what beat Romney
Single young women don't vote?????
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Well, one out of three ain't bad.

Ethnic block voting and identity politics are what beat Romney
This is what the media wants you to believe but bottom line the GOP has not offered up a candidate that is much different than the Dems. True Conservatism more often than not will win. Offer up a salty true Conservative and the silent majority will come out in droves and WIN !! But keep offering up Dem lite candidates and the GOP will continue to lose
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The same hard right bullshit that Ronald Reagan used to say and that is largely credited with earning him the votes of Reagan democrats?
You can't use thinly-veiled allusions to the confederacy and Jim Crow in Philadelphia, Mississippi and get away with it anymore.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:32 AM   #100
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Romney won among independents. He would have destroyed the independent vote and won over moderate leaning democrats if the Republicans would have let Romney be Romney. Do you realize how much of a swing vote a moderate Republican with less conservative views on gay rights and abortion would pick up?

Problem is the perceived need to drive the "base" to get out and vote. If Romney was Romney, then alot of people who are the Republicans' bread and butter might've sat on their thumbs.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:37 AM   #101
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Another 2 years of posts about how only * Paul can save us, and how he's the presumptive, and how much money he's raised that the other candidates can't match, and how he's going to roll over the other nominees as soon as people just wake up, and... "to the 'ship", etc

Seriously. I think I've seen this play before...
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:40 AM   #102
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47% is what beat Romney. Abortion is what beat Romney. And demographics are what beat Romney.

In 2016, none of those are apt to change.

As long as republicans hold the brand of being for the rich, against women, and against people of color, they simply hold little chance of winning in a national election.

Unless the economy completely tanks (e.g. Reagan v Carter) either a moderate repub (a Bush) or a dem will win national elections given the current conditions within the nation.
You may be right about all of that. My point was only that Romney didn't take "far right bullshit" positions that Reagan wouldn't have taken. For example, he wasn't more outspoken or more extreme about his opposition to abortion than Reagan was. He might not have had the same communication skills and his wealth might have made it harder for him to connect with people, but his "far right bullshit" was well within the Reagan range, IMO.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:42 AM   #103
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You can't use thinly-veiled allusions to the confederacy and Jim Crow in Philadelphia, Mississippi and get away with it anymore.
I don't know what you're talking about, but it seems like you're agreeing with me.
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This is what the media wants you to believe but bottom line the GOP has not offered up a candidate that is much different than the Dems. True Conservatism more often than not will win. Offer up a salty true Conservative and the silent majority will come out in droves and WIN !! But keep offering up Dem lite candidates and the GOP will continue to lose

JFC. It's Nixon's silent majority. You're completely in la-la-land.
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I'm not.
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