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Old 01-24-2014, 12:39 AM  
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Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.
  • All along, the theory behind Christie's candidacy was that he could overcome his lack of conservative bona fides with a combination of personality, competence, electability, and money. Bridgegate undermines all four.
  • So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.
  • Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
  • “Rand has a much broader appeal than his father,” Robinson says. Polls reflect that: A survey last December for the Des Moines Register found Paul with a lower unfavorability rating among Iowa Republicans than either Christie or Jeb Bush.
  • If Paul is, arguably, the early leader in Iowa, he may be the early frontrunner in New Hampshire as well. While Ron Paul placed third in Iowa in 2012, he placed second in New Hampshire, losing only to Mitt Romney
  • “If you whited out his name, and looked at his numbers,” Scala says of Paul, “you’d think he was a strong mainstream candidate.”
  • Paul looks like a better bet than anyone else to finish in the top two in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he did, he’d establish himself as the leading anti-establishment candidate in the GOP field.
  • Of course, the more early success Paul enjoyed, the more fervently some GOP elites—unnerved by his anti-interventionist foreign-policy views and potential weakness in a general election—would rally around someone else. Such efforts have worked in the past.
  • Paul will never be the darling of the GOP establishment. But Republican elites may have a difficult time in forging a unified front against him.
  • If there’s one thing that could obviate all this, it’s the possibility that Paul could suffer his own candidacy-crippling scandal.
  • But even taking that possibility into account, Paul is in a stronger position than many in the media recognize. On issues from NSA surveillance to drug legalization to gay marriage, the GOP is moving in his direction. For his part, Paul is gaining acceptance within the Republican mainstream.
  • There’s no way of knowing at this point, of course. But political commentators are making a big mistake if they disregard the chance.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...runner/283258/
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:51 AM   #106
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I'm not.
It seems like you are. Maybe you can be more specific and explicit to help clear it up.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:52 AM   #107
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:54 AM   #108
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No. If you're interested, you can look it up.
I can't look it up if I don't know what you're talking about or why you included "anymore" in your post. But if you're too shy to explain yourself, I'm willing to dismiss your input as meaningless.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:55 AM   #109
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Single young women don't vote?????
Like I said. Identity politics.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:58 AM   #110
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You may be right about all of that. My point was only that Romney didn't take "far right bullshit" positions that Reagan wouldn't have taken. For example, he wasn't more outspoken or more extreme about his opposition to abortion than Reagan was. He might not have had the same communication skills and his wealth might have made it harder for him to connect with people, but his "far right bullshit" was well within the Reagan range, IMO.
Romney clearly wanted no part in the abortion conversation but was required to be staunch pro life. He definitely didn't want to be in the birth control debate and stayed far away from it. HHe was forced to have an opinion. Those two stances alone made him very unpopular with women. Throw in Todd Akins extremely poorly timed comments about rape abortions and Romney lost the entire female vote. All for opinions he didn't want to voice.

On health care, he would have positioned himself as a tough play for Obama. Here is a guy who opposes a federal rollout, but sympathizes with the fight to get more people access. The Republicans forced him into a hard line stance against Obamacare and he looked like a hypocrite. Same with gay rights. He obviously opposed gay marriage but he clearly did not want to make it a campaign issue. The religious right demanded it be in his convention speech.

Finally... I've said before... I think Romney was the type of guy who leaned conservative but was good at negotiating and understood the give and takes of winning political battles. I don't think he wanted to be cornered into the stance of a hard line fiscal conservative but he had to, because the tea party forced him to.

Had Romney run as his own candidate, I think Ann Romney could have won him some female votes. I believe he would have played off as a moderate and done extremely well with the moderate and independent vote. And had there not been party infighting, the Gop voters would have backed the candidate instead of staying at home just to prove a point.

It's going to take a John Kerry like embarrassment for the party to realize how much their hard line principles are damaging their brand.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:17 AM   #111
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Romney clearly wanted no part in the abortion conversation but was required to be staunch pro life. He definitely didn't want to be in the birth control debate and stayed far away from it. HHe was forced to have an opinion. Those two stances alone made him very unpopular with women. Throw in Todd Akins extremely poorly timed comments about rape abortions and Romney lost the entire female vote. All for opinions he didn't want to voice.

On health care, he would have positioned himself as a tough play for Obama. Here is a guy who opposes a federal rollout, but sympathizes with the fight to get more people access. The Republicans forced him into a hard line stance against Obamacare and he looked like a hypocrite. Same with gay rights. He obviously opposed gay marriage but he clearly did not want to make it a campaign issue. The religious right demanded it be in his convention speech.

Finally... I've said before... I think Romney was the type of guy who leaned conservative but was good at negotiating and understood the give and takes of winning political battles. I don't think he wanted to be cornered into the stance of a hard line fiscal conservative but he had to, because the tea party forced him to.

Had Romney run as his own candidate, I think Ann Romney could have won him some female votes. I believe he would have played off as a moderate and done extremely well with the moderate and independent vote. And had there not been party infighting, the Gop voters would have backed the candidate instead of staying at home just to prove a point.

It's going to take a John Kerry like embarrassment for the party to realize how much their hard line principles are damaging their brand.
Again, my issue with SNR is about whether or not Romney took "far right bullshit" positions that Reagan wouldn't have taken.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:25 AM   #112
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Like I said. Identity politics.
No, abortion. Single young women take that issue quite seriously. It has less to do about identity and more to do about the freedom to choose to have sex without consequence. You and I may disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that young women want that choice.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:50 AM   #113
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I'm not miserable about Rand Paul. He seems to be a lot less crazy than his father.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:52 AM   #114
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:55 AM   #115
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:18 PM   #116
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:21 PM   #117
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No, abortion. Single young women take that issue quite seriously. It has less to do about identity and more to do about the freedom to choose to have sex without consequence. You and I may disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that young women want that choice.
Simply not true. For example, here is a Gallup poll from last year illustrating that young people and women are about as divided on the issue as everyone else.

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Old 02-27-2014, 12:58 PM   #118
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I don't agree with this at all, and neither does the data...


2000:
Bush - 50,456,002
Gore - 50,999,897

2004:
Bush - 62,040,610
Kerry - 59,028,444

2008:
Obama - 69,498,516
McCain - 59,948,323

2009:
Obama - 65,915,796
Romney - 60,933,500
Would ya look at those candidates? Jesus H Christ, this country is ****ed.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:05 PM   #119
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This is what the media wants you to believe but bottom line the GOP has not offered up a candidate that is much different than the Dems. True Conservatism more often than not will win. Offer up a salty true Conservative and the silent majority will come out in droves and WIN !! But keep offering up Dem lite candidates and the GOP will continue to lose
It would be pretty hilarious if the GOP put forth a candidate that shared your view of a True Conservative.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:24 PM   #120
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Rand Paul spoke to a tea party group today and apparently lost the crowd. His crime? He dared to say this:

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"We can disagree with the president without calling him names ... I don't call him names and I'm polite to him when I see him"
Woops, bad move. Most of those angry mouth-breathers aren't interested in being mature adults.
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