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Old 01-23-2014, 11:39 PM  
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Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.
  • All along, the theory behind Christie's candidacy was that he could overcome his lack of conservative bona fides with a combination of personality, competence, electability, and money. Bridgegate undermines all four.
  • So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.
  • Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
  • “Rand has a much broader appeal than his father,” Robinson says. Polls reflect that: A survey last December for the Des Moines Register found Paul with a lower unfavorability rating among Iowa Republicans than either Christie or Jeb Bush.
  • If Paul is, arguably, the early leader in Iowa, he may be the early frontrunner in New Hampshire as well. While Ron Paul placed third in Iowa in 2012, he placed second in New Hampshire, losing only to Mitt Romney
  • “If you whited out his name, and looked at his numbers,” Scala says of Paul, “you’d think he was a strong mainstream candidate.”
  • Paul looks like a better bet than anyone else to finish in the top two in both Iowa and New Hampshire. If he did, he’d establish himself as the leading anti-establishment candidate in the GOP field.
  • Of course, the more early success Paul enjoyed, the more fervently some GOP elites—unnerved by his anti-interventionist foreign-policy views and potential weakness in a general election—would rally around someone else. Such efforts have worked in the past.
  • Paul will never be the darling of the GOP establishment. But Republican elites may have a difficult time in forging a unified front against him.
  • If there’s one thing that could obviate all this, it’s the possibility that Paul could suffer his own candidacy-crippling scandal.
  • But even taking that possibility into account, Paul is in a stronger position than many in the media recognize. On issues from NSA surveillance to drug legalization to gay marriage, the GOP is moving in his direction. For his part, Paul is gaining acceptance within the Republican mainstream.
  • There’s no way of knowing at this point, of course. But political commentators are making a big mistake if they disregard the chance.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...runner/283258/
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:39 PM   #121
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Until the GOP abandons its social issues that cling and connect only with the old and religious, its days of winning a presidential election are over. Al is correct, 45% of the populace would vote for a turnip over the best GOP candidate out there. If the turnip could speak then its over for the GOP.
If you grabbed a broom and painted a "D" on it, then grabbed a dustpan and painted an "R" on it, then leaned them up against a fence for a while, the broom and dustpan would get 90% of the popular vote.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:41 PM   #122
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And then of course no matter who won the mess would still never be cleaned up.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:43 PM   #123
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Then why this - " Fully 66% of young women voted for Obama, similar to the 69% who voted for him in 2008."

Young women vote D. Abortion is one of the reasons. As well as stupid comments made by republican senate candidates.

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Old 02-27-2014, 02:06 PM   #124
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Rand Paul spoke to a tea party group today and apparently lost the crowd. His crime? He dared to say this:



Woops, bad move. Most of those angry mouth-breathers aren't interested in being mature adults.
The party has got to cut this shit out. Rand Paul is right on the mark here .
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:04 PM   #125
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The party has got to cut this shit out. Rand Paul is right on the mark here .
I have to agree. It's bad Public Relations. Saying his policies are socialist is okay though.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:45 PM   #126
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:48 PM   #127
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Rand Paul spoke to a tea party group today and apparently lost the crowd. His crime? He dared to say this:



Woops, bad move. Most of those angry mouth-breathers aren't interested in being mature adults.
What do you mean he "lost the crowd"? Did they boo or hiss or something?
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:07 PM   #128
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What do you mean he "lost the crowd"? Did they boo or hiss or something?










I don't hear any boos. I hear chuckles when he mentions that he disagrees with the POTUS nearly all of the time.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:16 PM   #129
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Paul is a pretty good public speaker. I do get this odd impression from him though. It's the inflection and pacing of his speech. To me he comes across as a guy that's lecturing people. I pick up a "holier-than-thou", supercilious tone from him that annoys me. Like he's whining from a position of momentary weakness and that everything would go so much more smoothly if everyone would just do as he says. It puts in my mind an image of him as someone who is more fitting to play a role as the power behind the throne, so to speak. Like he is more VP or SecState than POTUS.
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Paul is a pretty good public speaker. I do get this odd impression from him though. It's the inflection and pacing of his speech. To me he comes across as a guy that's lecturing people. I pick up a "holier-than-thou", supercilious tone from him that annoys me. Like he's whining from a position of momentary weakness and that everything would go so much more smoothly if everyone would just do as he says. It puts in my mind an image of him as someone who is more fitting to play a role as the power behind the throne, so to speak. Like he is more VP or SecState than POTUS.
I think he makes a good Senator and that's where I'd like him to stay.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:59 PM   #131
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It's the inflection and pacing of his speech. To me he comes across as a guy that's lecturing people. I pick up a "holier-than-thou", supercilious tone from him that annoys me. Like he's whining from a position of momentary weakness and that everything would go so much more smoothly if everyone would just do as he says...
Ron was the same way in the debates. Always sounded whiny and like he was talking down. I know that isn't really his personality, but that was the way he came across. He has some good ideas but doesn't debate well.

His son seems to be less out-there politically, but has some of the same flaws.
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I think he makes a good Senator and that's where I'd like him to stay.
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I think he makes a good Senator and that's where I'd like him to stay.
I actually don't disagree with having him remain in the Senate. It depends on who the other choices are in the primary ultimately for me.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:03 PM   #134
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Rand Paul spoke to a tea party group today and apparently lost the crowd. His crime? He dared to say this:

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"We can disagree with the president without calling him names ... I don't call him names and I'm polite to him when I see him"
That's great Rand, but you did speak for 13 straight hours to insinuate that Obama was preparing to launch domestic drone strikes on his political opponents.
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I didn't like this guy, but Jon Huntsman would have beat Barack Obama in the general election.
No he wouldn't have. Read Double Down. Jon Huntsman is an empty suit born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Daddy's little rich boy has had his life paved for him and doesn't have the engine for a presidential campaign. It was silly that he ever even tried.
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